The further twist is that just a few months after this interview, Jobs left Apple and founded a company to build graphical, Ethernet-connected, UNIX-based personal workstations: in other words to compete on Sun's turf. I think the Sun/Apple and Sun/NeXT relationship is an interesting, underexplored part of an overtold story, especially since by 2000 Apple had more or less stolen Sun's original clothes as a profitable vendor of Unix workstations.