[Retozi]

I feel like these somewhat restricting patterns can increase your productivity massively. If your app fits the restriction. If not, it will slow you down.

There is usually not enough emphasis on the nature of the app in these X vs Y framework discussions.

I can really see why you would choose Ember say for Discourse and why (once you got it) it is very productive.

But for other apps you might constantly fight the Framework.

Optimal patterns really depend on what you want/need to do. (Thats why TodoMVC doesn't help much).