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by epi16 4307 days ago
> I have rarely had anyone complain to me about my seat recline, and nobody has ever offered me money, or anything else of value, in exchange for sitting upright.

I bet no one has ever made that offer. Saying that "oh, no one has offered to pay me to stop something, therefore people can't care all that much" is the Homo Economicus fallacy gone wild. Would a majority of people accept that deal, if someone brazen enough actually offered? I doubt it. It would just cause needless conflict in a small space where everyone is stuck together for hours and hours, which is why people don't do it in the first place.

> When you buy an airline ticket, one of the things you’re buying is the right to use your seat’s reclining function.

"Rights" aren't god-given things. You can't look up in the cosmic rule book who has the right to do what. The argument is how we, as a society, want to allocate that right, and just stating "I bought the ticket therefore I own the right" isn't really useful.

I'm not coming down on either side of the Great Recliner Debate, but this article kind of irks me. We don't work the way the author is assuming, and I don't think saying "I have X right, pay me to stop if you don't like it, even though such a payment is unusual, socially uncomfortable, and potentially insulting" really adds much value to the conversation on this (frankly largely irrelevant) conversation.

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Paying for rights to the space behind a seat may not be a great solution, but at least it's a solution, and debating about its merits may lead to a better one. The current situation is that there is no right answer: neither the seat-recliner nor the space-requester can be objectively said to be in the right, so who gets the space comes down to who is less polite and more assertive. If everyone agrees that whoever bought the ticket can claim the space or sell it to the person behind them, then that's an objective property right one can appeal to without having to just say "Well, I want the space, I don't care that you want it too, and I can be more of a jerk than you about it."
That's a good point. That said, I still take objection to the tone of the article. The author didn't motivate his solution in the way you just did; it was more of a "this is the obvious solution, and I don't really care about what other people say" approach. I'm fine considering this as a starting-off point, as long as everyone recognizes that having on-board reclining rights negotiations isn't really a long-term solution.
I agree that the article is irksome and illustrates the worst caricature of the economist, but as a confound: some airlines do charge differently for seats that recline and don't recline. United Economy Plus seats that don't recline are cheaper than United Economy Plus seats that do recline. Some people certainly are paying money specifically for the ability to recline.
The interesting thing is that I would pay a bit more for seats that don't recline, in front of my seat. I say that as a 190cm/6 foot 3 tall person, who barely fit in modern seats on some flights, in the first place.
United will totally let you do this, actually. You simply look for the seats right behind the Economy Plus seats that don't recline, and buy them. I think they may cost more than other Economy Plus seats, actually. I presume other airlines are similar.
I wonder if any European airlines have non-reclining seats? I don't get to fly United often.
Ryanair has non-reclining seats, but that is more due to the fact that they pack their seats so tight that reclining would be impossible.
True, but I avoid Ryanair. I really don't like their corporate strategy.
Ditto.

I would also happily give up my ability to recline if it meant the person in front of me couldn't either.

Maybe aircraft with three distinct blocks of seats should have 1/3 which just simply lack recline. You want recline? Book the other 2/3 of the aircraft, I'm going to be booking that 1/3.

How many minutes do you think it will take the airline to work out that if the seats don't recline there doesn't have to be so much space between them and you can fit in a couple of extra rows.