[Dolimiter]

I'm a "shill"? Really? This is the level of debate?

Also, none of your links in any way prove that the NSA stores all phone calls. None of them. 1 is hearsay from someone, another talks about metadata, and another says that the NSA can record any phone call (yes we know that). Nowhere is there any proof that all calls are being recorded.

This is what I am talking about. It doesn't seem possible to have a conversation about the NSA on Hacker News that is based on logic, reasoning or sense.

[drunkcatsdgaf]

"MYSTIC is a voice interception program used by the National Security Agency. The program recorded every phone call made within a non-specified country for thirty days."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MYSTIC_(surveillance_program)

[mpyne]

Again, this is moving the goalposts.

The original claim was "the NSA records all phone calls".

This is saying, "the NSA records all phone calls, in a certain, non-domestic country, for a 30-day window", which is nowhere near the same.

You would think that simply accusing the NSA of what it's actually doing what be good enough, but that's only rarely the case here at HN.