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by csmdev 4311 days ago
Haven't been to San Francisco. So I can only give you my view of Amsterdam. And it's pretty disappointing for software engineers.

Basically, web development and mobile are king. And not in the good way. Both startups and bigger companies are focused on it. So if you're not into them, you will have a tough time finding a job. There are some engineering jobs too. But they are usually for support purposes. Banking, automotive, industrial etc. You work on software that supports another product. And you're basically non-essential personnel.

The startup scene is not very impressive. A small hub, an accelerator once a year and some meetups (mostly web dev). However, you will find plenty of coworking spaces. And there aren't many software companies either. Amsterdam is a small city. You will easily finish going through all of them in a couple of days.

When it comes to expats, Amsterdam is a city of self-employment. You either do some freelancing, work a low-paying job in hospitality or work on your startup. There are some expats with higher paying jobs. But they are the lucky ones. It takes a while until you find something. There are plenty of expats and dutch people looking for a job. And layoffs have become a common occurrence since the crisis finally hit the Netherlands. So trying to find something will be pretty hard.

So if you want to move, bring cash. You're going to need it.

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This isn't the experience I have had. I work in an Enterprise team of 10 Developers and the last few years we have always hired from outside NL as there is a shortage of Developers. English is the business language and not just in IT departments so hiring from abroad is standard.

The most objective way to look at this is probably the 30% ruling. 30% of your gross salary is not taxed, and you are taxed as if you had earned 70% of your gross. (To the original poster, you would get this benefit if you are any way experienced.) Local Dutch people obviously don't like this setup (why is he taxed less than me?) and political parties would love to get rid of it (a real vote winner) but the economy needs it as there is a shortage of workers.

What does your team work on? Is software the main product or you're just a software division in a company with a different focus? Also, what percentage of the hired expats are British?
We work on Integration (of legacy and globally distributed applications). Standard / Boring Enterprise stuff.

0% British. Lots of different nationalities.

And I see this as the norm, having been in Amsterdam for many years and worked at a few places. All in English, all teams having more expats than Dutch members.

If your company is hiring, post some details. Everybody that sees this thread would be interested.
that is not good advice. developer meetings through meetup are happening almost every day. there are a lot of companies that produce software and you don't need to be a freelancer (why come to Amsterdam to freelance?). The above text applied very well to people that are looking for common jobs like business managers,salesmen,hospitality professionals etc. If you consider yourself a good programmer with a good CV come to Amsterdam or alternatively go to Berlin or London.
I lived in Amsterdam for the most part of last year. And dev meetups are rare and it's usually web stuff or startups.

There are only two types of meetings that happen almost every day:

1. The Appsterdam hub meetings. And they aren't for software engineers. It's mostly random startup people networking in the hopes of finding something.

2. The expat meetings. And it's mostly random expats networking in the hopes of finding something. Or at least trying to have a good time.

If you know any software engineering meetings, post them here so everybody who is interested can save some time. But I agree with Berlin and London. You can have more success there. Bigger cities with a lot more companies and communities.

Do you have any insight on what the average salary is for a software engineer with 5-6 years of experience?