[jonaldomo]

"Snarky?"... "My account should be banned?" The CIA involvement in Pakistan is widely known and is in the mainstream media. All the spy novels, documentaries and movies in the past decade are around the secret war going on in Pakistan.

[tptacek]

The CIA is so tight with the ISI that Osama bin Laden lived in a huge house blocks away from the Pakistani equivalent of West Point. Or, wait...

[mpyne]

I really hope "spy novels" is not what you'd consider actual evidence. As you say, it's not exactly a secret that the U.S. and Pakistan have been working together (since the 1970s at least, natch).

What is not widely known is just how fragmented and unbelievably complex that U.S.-Pakistani relationship actually is, not to mention the relationships of various groups within Pakistan, which is why the idea that "oh, the CIA just runs Pakistan" is so devoid in substance. Pakistan doesn't even run Pakistan, let alone any CIA puppet-masters.