[mattdawson]

I practically live and die by the 5 Minute Rule, and as a counterpoint, I've always found Grunt intuitive, if verbose. In particular, I love that its files API is so flexible. I frequently find myself asking questions that look like "I wonder if I can do this X way", and things just work.

Saying Grunt is "very bad" is harsh and only serves to amplify hyperbole that causes much of the churn around JS tooling.

[edited for a grammar nitpick]

[bellerocky]

> Saying Grunt is "very bad" is harsh and only serves to amplify hyperbole that causes much of the churn around JS tooling.

I'm speaking from personal experience and time lost trying to just get things to work so I can focus on building the application, not making a hobby out of building the frontend tooling. What I said may be harsh, but it's the truth. Have you tried gulp?

[mattdawson]

I have, and I'd even be up for using it on a production project. I'd go so far to say I like it even. But the fact stands that the current project I'm working on has a Gruntfile that just flat out wouldn't work in Gulp - which is a combination of things that I'm doing that don't have an analogue in Grunt, likely mixed with a few that I simply wasn't able to figure out.

If Grunt makes sense on some projects, and Gulp makes sense for others, why the need for all the value judgements? I still stand by the assertion that such claims add nothing to the conversation and muddy the waters for everyone.