[coldtea]

>Without getting into a race debate, black people do get a lot of bad press. What the cause of this is, I don't know or wish to comment on past I suspect that it is mainly down to education, poverty and somewhat stereotypical reporting.

It's about:

1) Kidnapped and being brought to another country by force to work as slaves, cutting lost deep cultural and societal bonds and ties they had with their original communities.

2) "Freed" but still (always) being a minority in the country, numbers wise, and with their old masters and racist people against them, including legislators (Jim Crow laws), business owners ("no blacks" or sharecropping), white communities (seggregation), etc.

3) Starting the race from a huge handicap (the huge majority of them being slaves, poor and uneducated) compared to even the poorest new immigrants arriving.

Unlike the prevalent myth, "hard work and determination" doesn't do much statistically for large groups of people. Actually if you work hard as a low wage worker, without the proper business/investment ideas of your own you stay mostly in the same paylevel. So, that plus luck and talent (e.g from business to music) might get a small percentage moving upwards, but tons of black people breaking their backs everyday will just go nowhere.

[freethinking]

White communities- is segregation? Seriously? Black people are more likely to pick/stay in high crime neighborhoods full of mostly black people, isn't this the same? Difference being, successful, hardworking, decent, honest black people will move away- usually in a primarily white neighborhood. Ask them why... they don't want black neighbors. This is not made up. I, with 2 other college students, conducted our own study for our social economics course, we talked to so many people from different races, wealth classifications, different neighborhoods, and their answers were dependent on their class and neighborhood, more than their race. But hey I guess when you think about it, it's only racist, segregation, and wrong when white people do it.

Funny how illegal immigrants come over here with nothing more than the clothes on their back, work for $7-$100pcs an hour, pay taxes/social security/Medicare -but never get it back, and they more often than not, somehow achieve a good enough life to take care of their families, and still send some money back home.

[coldtea]

>White communities- is segregation? Seriously? Black people are more likely to pick/stay in high crime neighborhoods full of mostly black people, isn't this the same?

No, it's not the same. That's because they can't afford to live elsewhere. And also because racism doesn't let them integrate in other communities. Heck, even when they had money and tried to move to white communities, real estate agencies and locals didn't let them, to avoid "lowering the value" of the place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

>Difference being, successful, hardworking, decent, honest black people will move away- usually in a primarily white neighborhood. Ask them why... they don't want black neighbors.

No, they just don't want the kind of neighborhouds a legacy of opression, racism and poorness has made of those other blacks. The richer blacks would have tried to move just the same even if they lived in a poor latino or white area. So it's not about not wanting "black neighbors". White people didn't even like black middle class families, or even doctors and lawyers living next to them.

Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

[tammer]

Don't forget a long history of systematic prevention of wealth accumulation through redlining, contract mortgages and predatory lending!

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case...

[LyndsySimon]

Good read :)

[bigtex]

#1 makes it seems like the white man just went over to Africa with a big net and starting catching Africans. In reality, most slaves were captured people from other tribes whom there own people sold/bartered to the European slave traders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#African_part...