[pbhjpbhj]

" ... wrongfully branded criminals for simply following their nature." The argument that an action is simply a persons "nature" is impotent. Do you hold forth that same argument when such pederasty, due to age restrictions, is classed as child abuse?

People probably levelled the same argument against Socrate's [reported by Plato and Xenophon] denouncement of the buggery of juveniles by older men.

[jacquesm]

I think the discriminating factor here is 'consent', which was implied in the example of Turing and notably absent in cases involving children.

The 'teenage boy' (which implies anybody between the age of 10 and 19 inclusive) was in fact 19, Turing himself was if I get it all right 42 at the time.

[yangyang]

Teenage = 13-19 (ends with -teen).

[jacquesm]

> (which implies anybody between the age of 10 and 19 inclusive)

So ? That's what I wrote wasn't it ? I realize 19 is 'a teen' but it is at the end of the spectrum. Saying just 'teenage' makes it ambiguous and is suggestive of someone much younger than nineteen, you tend to guess that must be in the middle of the range, whereas in fact it was the last entry in the range.

[yangyang]

I'm being pedantic, yes, but it's 13 to 19 inclusive. Not 10 to 19.

[jacquesm]

This is a language issue then, here in NL when you are '10' you are officially a 'tiener', even if you are a young one.

It used to be 13 to 20 here, but that was a long time ago.

Apologies, I just took the dutch word 'tiener' to mean 'teenager' in English. My bad.

So that raises the median age by a year and a half.