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by xi 4333 days ago
Maybe the TV host didn't challenge him because his comments are already so backward and idiotic as to not need further emphasis.

I'll give you a better explanation: the TV host didn't challenge him because it never happened. The "expert" (another journalist, in fact) never suggested to "physically eliminate about 1.5 million of civilians of Donetsk and Luhansk regions that are not able to fit in Ukrainian Nation" or anything close to it.
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pipy 4333 days ago
Hello, Kirill. :)

The expert is a journalist, from a newspaper «Тиждень». [1]

Here are the qoutes:

Донбасс – это не просто депрессивный регион. Там дикое количество ненужных людей. Я абсолютно осознанно об этом говорю. В Донецкой области примерно 4 миллиона жителей. И не менее 1,5 миллионов лишних. Нам не надо понимать Донбасс. Нам надо понимать украинский национальный интерес. А Донбасс нужно использовать как ресурс. [...] В отношении Донбасса: я не знаю рецепта, как это сделать быстро. Однако наиглавнейшее, что нужно сделать: есть люди, которых необходимо просто убить.

Which means that there is an "excess of 1.5 millions of people" in Donetsk Region, that "[people of] Donetsk Region mustn't be undestood [by the people from the rest of Ukraine], and Donetsk Region [and it's people] must be used as a resource instead" and "I don't know how to solve that problem [to remove excessive civilians], but the main thing is that some people must be physically eliminated".

So:

1. There are 1.5 millions of civilians of Donetsk region that are excessive.

2. People of Donetsk region mustn't be understood by the rest of Ukraine. Which literally means that they do not fit in Ukrainian Nation, they are not part of it.

3. He doesn't know the recipe how to remove the excessive civilians, but some people must be physically eliminated.

In the context of the whole TV show he is talking about elimination of excessive civilians. One could argue if he considers possible to physically eliminate 1.5 million of them, or only part of them and drive others by away by force or by economical means, etc.

> The "expert" (another journalist, in fact) never suggested to "physically eliminate about 1.5 million of civilians of Donetsk and Luhansk regions that are not able to fit in Ukrainian Nation" or anything close to it.

So, even though I have already claimed that it was too emotional for me to mention this TV show, I consider myself to have provided reasonable translation of his words.

P.S.

I've actually used pyyaml parser. :)

Edit: here is the relevant part of the show for you to check: [2]

[1] http://tyzhden.ua/Author/76/Publications/

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhYyj5l9Lx0

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xi 4333 days ago
Which means that there is an "excess of 1.5 millions of people" in Donetsk Region, that "[people of] Donetsk Region mustn't be undestood [by the people from the rest of Ukraine], and Donetsk Region [and it's people] must be used as a resource instead" and "I don't know how to solve that problem [to remove excessive civilians], but the main thing is that some people must be physically eliminated".

Wow, this is truly creative editing. None of your insertions are implied from the context and the quotes you picked up are several minutes apart. In particular, he talks about 1.5 millions of people lacking meaningful job prospects as one of the causes of the unrest (which is true). A few minutes later, when he talks about about killing people, nowhere he implies millions of civilians, in fact, it's obvious he means armed militants.

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pipy 4333 days ago
I've probably been too emotional about this interview, sorry about that. You are right, he can be interpreted differently.

I have people that I know on both sides of Ukraine and everything that is going on creeps me out completely.

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BugBrother 4330 days ago
Good to see that you can take facts pipy -- and thanks xi for doing better than I did in discussing.

I -- and probably most people -- have been in the situation where we lost contact with reality, because we have read too much spin, even if the subjects are serious problems.

It is not easy. Good luck pipy. (And good luck to Russia and Ukraine -- they both deserve a break after the last century.)

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pipy 4330 days ago
> Good luck pipy. (And good luck to Russia and Ukraine [...])

Thank you. And you and your compatriots too.

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BugBrother 4330 days ago
Compatriots?

If you mean the Swedes, they should be OK (except for the grief they create themselves). Sweden is probably not on Putin's top 10 list... :-) :-(

Or do you mean Emacs/Perl/JavaScript guys? :-)

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