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by hamburglar 4349 days ago
Agree. PHP started itself out with the handicap of a lot of shitty misfeatures, and now that they've beaten it into a state that it's possible (though in no way encouraged) to write decent code in it, anybody who doesn't put on a "PHP: It's not that bad!" party hat gets called a hater.

I'm afraid they're going to have to show me reasons it's actually superior to other languages before I'm going to jump on the train. This "it's less broken than it's ever been" stuff isn't going to cut it.

One thing that makes me chuckle every time I decide to give PHP a fair glance again is "<?php" at the beginning of all the source files. It's hilarious to me that with all the well understood best practices about separation of logic and presentation, people are still seriously using a language where you have to use a little signal to the compiler that means "ok, here's where the HTML stops and the code begins!" I assume at this point it's a vestigial tail, but it's just one irritating reminder that this language was originally designed for half-ass hacks.
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astrange 4349 days ago
So, if your PHP programs don't embed HTML in ?><?, and you use a framework with its own URL routing instead of multiple files, and your framework has plugin autoloading and initialization on every page request… why are you using PHP?
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hamburglar 4349 days ago
In case that was not a rhetorical question: I'm not using PHP.
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Gigablah 4348 days ago
> a fair glance

If you're going to harp on the most unbelievably trivial things, no, you never intended to give it a fair glance.

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Daishiman 4348 days ago
That, by itself, is not trivial.

Compounded with a hundred small little annoyances, it makes the code comparatively unpleaseant.

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Gigablah 4348 days ago
<!doctype html>
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