[crabasa]

> This of course leaves out the huge intangible of how much nicer it is not to drive...

I'm simply saying that it's often quite nice to drive, as Sam knows quite well as the owner of a Tesla Roadster.

[lutorm]

On the other hand, quite often, if you live in the Bay Area or LA, it's also a complete disaster to drive... I also like to drive, but not in stop and go traffic on a freeway...