[amalag]

This one is no mystery. There are deleted statements for this from the separatists.

1. Russian government gives BUK to separatists. (what could go wrong?). We have deleted tweets from the separatists bragging about their newly acquired BUK and youtube videos of the BUK being driven around.

2. Separatists think they are shooting down a Ukrainian transport plane. They brag about shooting down a plane at the time the plane went down. They alert journalists who go to the site and are surprised to find bodies and passports. The videos are on youtube.

So if the Dutch or Dutch government are not mad at the Russians, then dunno what it would take.

[kissa]

This video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g

youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g -o 1.mp4 && mediainfo 1.mp4 | grep date

Encoded date: UTC 2014-07-16 19:07:49 Tagged date: UTC 2014-07-16 19:07:49

One day before ... Frame-up?

[Avalaxy]

> So if the Dutch or Dutch government are not mad at the Russians, then dunno what it would take.

The guy mentioned in the article isn't representative for all of the Netherlands. I heard many Dutch people speak of war.

The Dutch government is generally veryyyy reserved and politically correct. They don't often act fast or decisively and are certainly not going to use a lot of violence.