[happyscrappy]

> people will go hungry, jobless and penniless.

This is why you are being downvoted. It seems unlikely you have kids, but you must have parents and grandparents. Are you willing to see them suffer for your anarchist pipe dreams? If you are then how are you any better than the privacy violators?

[pling]

I have three children so your assertion is incorrect.

If it means that the world is a better place afterwards for them, some hardship for us all is not a bad thing. That includes me and my family. It's not an anarchist pipe dream. It happens when the government sends your country to war as well don't forget.

I talk to a lot of people from the rather war-torn bits of Eastern Europe and they'd do it again to be free from opression.

[tokenadult]

You write,

I talk to a lot of people from the rather war-torn bits of Eastern Europe

but it seems to me that if you had a comprehensive sample of people from eastern Europe of my generation you would come to the conclusion that what I said is the way to go. The countries in eastern Europe that have the brightest prospects now are those whose transition from dictatorship was via a nonviolent people power protest movement, while those that really just traded dictators in palace coups are still very lousy places to live. But don't take my word for it--look up some examples and some principles of how to win freedom with people power, nonviolently.

http://www.aeinstein.org/downloads/

[ripb]

>Are you willing to see them suffer for your anarchist pipe dreams? If you are then how are you any better than the privacy violators?

What complete and utter nonsense. Someone willing to pay a price now for a better future tomorrow is the same as corrupted governments prying into the private lives of their citizens. What a brilliant comparison you've drawn.

It's this fear of change and desire to protect the status quo that has our societies in the rotting state that they're in, by the way, so while you may take comfort in knowing your parents and grandparents are ok now, and that your pockets are moderately protected, that it's your choices in protecting this status quo that is making the future look very bleak for our children.

[happyscrappy]

The future does not look bleak. For fuck sake progress is accelerating. That may not jive with your doomsday bullshit but that hardly matters because foolish ideas like yours are going fucking nowhere with honest decent people who will tell you to take a flying fuck. If you want to induce suffering on some questionable moral stance you will be crushed under a stampede of reason.