[blablablaat]

Sounded good untill I read: "I sincerely think it is quite unrealistic to ask a knowledge worker".

What is this with you programmers that you think that you're the best thing that has happend to this world? It's just a job. No more a job then any other one.

Same thing as that bullshit as companies that want every employee to program. Do you see CEO's with a background as a carpenter writing blogposts about how everybody should build at least a chair every month?

Self obsessed rich kids.

[nitrogen]

What motivates your disdain?

What is this with you programmers that you think that you're the best thing that has happend to this world? It's just a job. No more a job then any other one.

...as evidenced by the equivalent years of training required to, say, use a shovel?

Self obsessed rich kids.

Don't assume that all of us are rich, or even solidly middle class. Sometimes startup founders (unwisely) spend years at or below poverty (been there, done that).

Do assume that anybody with ~average intelligence and above average motivation could become a programmer, though.

[a-saleh]

Knowledge worker is not limited for programmers :-) I.e. it is not as hard to imagine, that the guy asking for 16/h job could be mathematician, engineer, architect, or even some product manager in some financial institution ... and this debate with motive "maybe if we worked less hours/day, but with consistency and focus" is much older than programming craft. Ford started this with his 8h/day instead of 10h/day for his factory workers ...

[elbear]

I don't see anything constructive in your comment, just a rant and personal attacks. If you meant to actually provide something useful to the discussion, you failed.

[nknighthb]

I spent most of my childhood raised by a single mother below the poverty line thanks to a borderline-deadbeat dad, save for the period I lived with an abusive junkie stepfather. Today I help support disabled family members on my below-market salary.

Come call me a "self obsessed rich kid" to my face.