[ChikkaChiChi]

I think learning the frameworks isn't nearly as important as trying to learn the standard library.

If you start to rely on frameworks, it's entirely possible you'll bypass some pretty spectacular features built right in to your new language.

[klaaspieter]

When I said framework I meant standard library. The most important thing to learn is not the syntax of the language but the standard library. They know everything the language can do and will most likely use all of it's features somewhere.

Thanks for clearing it up, I think standard library is a better term :)

[Zelphyr]

MUCH better term! :) I'd submit that learning a framework will actually do you a disservice as far as learning a new language goes.