[pyre]

> directly threatened a sovereign nation and overthrew their governments

> how about the US in the last 14 years [...] Iran

Maybe I'm missing something, but when did the US overthrow Iran's government in the last 14 years? Or Syria for that matter?

[mark_l_watson]

You are right - we overthrew Iran's government way back in the 1950s, not recently. Their president was a popular moderate (a medical doctor I think). Then we forced the Shah of Iran on the Iranian people.

In my lifetime I believe that we have tried to overthrow 30+ governments around the world when in the interests of America's financial elite.

Do you know what I consider patriotism to be? It includes admitting things that we did wrong and try very hard to do better in the future.

[pyre]

This whole thread started from "US does more bad things than Russia, just look at recent history." You can't start tossing things that the US did in the 50's on the table, and not do the same for Russia. The whole point (as I see it) of the "in the last 14 years" qualifier is that we're talking recent history. It's disingenuous to dredge up things from much further into the past.

It was also a different time period with different considerations. Now I'm not being an apologist for this stuff, but I would say that similar actions in the more recent past have much less justification, even if you are someone that buys into the "Domino Effect" defense from the Cold War-era.

[Schwoisser]

Maybe there is no good guy in this game.