[halloprow]

This isn't an article about sexual harassment though. It's one side of the story, involving an obviously messy inappropriate relationship.

Is it wise for two founders to date? I'd say no. She must share some of the blame, and who's to say what his side of the story is, and what exhibits he has showing her in a bad light?

[ninavizz]

EXCUSE ME, this is very MUCH a story about sexual harassment.

One founder was removed from the "Founder's Suite," because it was believed that having a woman as a founder would work against the company's valuation/brand-equity. That is black and white sexual harassment. It is discrimination based on gender. Period.

Secondly: Founders date. Employees date. Subordinates and Managers, date. It happens. It's not "should they," it's that "they do" and there are appropriate methods to mitigate this. What is personal, is personal—and what is professional, is professional.

HR departments have methods to mitigate this. Startups being "above" or "too cool" to engage HR professionals early in their lifecycles, are to blame for most of these kinds of problems. GitHub, now Tinder, and many others I can't think of off the top of my head. HR exists to keep the personal, personal—and the professional, professional.

There is NO blame for a relationship going sour, at the professional level. None. Our industry has a ways to go. We all need to be in on that, together.

[mootothemax]

This isn't an article about sexual harassment though... She must share some of the blame

In your world, calling someone a whore in front of their co-workers is both acceptable and not sexual harassment?

It's nonsense to suggest that somehow he was forced hurl such insults at her.

The only person responsible their own actions is that same person; you don't get to abdicate responsibility for your actions just because you dated someone.

[halloprow]

You're still ignoring the fact that this is one sides account of an obviously messy situation.

What happened before he called her a whore? Did she bait him, did she harass him, did she cheat on him, etc etc

My point was when you date someone, there's often blame on both sides when things turn sour.

[mootothemax]

>>You're still ignoring the fact that this is one sides account of an obviously messy situation.

Because it's irrelevant.

>>What happened before he called her a whore? Did she bait him, did she harass him, did she cheat on him, etc etc

It was his choice to call her a whore in front of their colleagues (and note: this is just one example from the harassment claim, there're plenty of unsavoury actions quoted).

Words said or past actions don't give you the right to demean someone at the workplace.

>>My point was when you date someone, there's often blame on both sides when things turn sour.

Which, again, is irrelevant to creating a hostile working environment.

When you're a grown-up, you accept responsibility for your actions, and that the only person making decisions about what you do is - guess what? - you.

If you've had a messy breakup, well, honestly, that really really sucks.

It absolutely does not give you the right to harass the other person.

[halloprow]

That's like saying someone who kills in self defence should be tried for murder. You're crazy.

[mootothemax]

>>That's like saying someone who kills in self defence should be tried for murder. You're crazy.

You are aware that an argument of self-defence is used whilst being tried for murder, right?

Anyway - inappropriateness of your comparison aside - fine, you don't believe in taking responsibility for your own day-to-day actions.

I hope that changes someday.

[halloprow]

My points:

  * This is only one side of the story.
  * It's completely plausible that she did bad things as well.
  * It's for the court to decide. Not random internet lynch mobs based on biased one sided information.

Hopefully your black and white view of the world changes someday.