[carlisle_]

>its public transportation is third world at best

There are muni stops within 1 block of 80% of all residences in SF. Having just moved back to SF from LA let me tell you there is no reason to bemoan public transportation here.

[icebraining]

When I was in Budapest, I had a metro station, a bus stop, two tram stops and a public bike sharing station within a block from my apartment. The trams run every 4-5 minutes during off-peak, and if they ever stop during the night, we didn't notice, despite arriving at 5am and being awake until 3am.

That's a public transportation system!

[graetzer]

To be fair, the Public Transport system in the Eastern European states is usually pretty dense. The downside is that most of the buses and trains seem to be from the soviet era