[ssprang]

Fundamentally, why shouldn't people have a right to privacy? Are you saying that there isn't any information about yourself that you'd want to keep private? Why are the details of my life anybody's business but my own?

> I don't see many people claiming their right to lie, their right to fraud, their right to steal. What makes privacy so different?

Well, for one thing, privacy is neither immoral nor illegal. How are these things even related?

[miguelrochefort]

> Fundamentally, why shouldn't people have a right to privacy? Are you saying that there isn't any information about yourself that you'd want to keep private? Why are the details of my life anybody's business but my own?

You don't own yourself. Everything you do is an interaction with the world (including your own body and mind), which belongs to everyone equally.

Whether or not the imperfect beings we are want to hide things from others doesn't justify it to be right. People want to keep things private because they gain something from it. There's a lot of things I want from this world, but society don't hand them to me in the form of a fundamental right.

> Well, for one thing, privacy is neither immoral nor illegal. How are these things even related?

Says who? I would argue that privacy is actually immoral. Above all, though, what's immoral is to make illegal any non-coercive acquisition of data. Making that illegal is the real mistake here. And I don't suggest we make privacy illegal, that wouldn't be possible.

[ssprang]

> You don't own yourself. Everything you do is an interaction with the world (including your own body and mind), which belongs to everyone equally.

This is an extreme view. How can we even begin to talk about desires and rights under this assumption? If I don't own myself, how can I own anything? We have to throw out the idea of property, the concept of theft and so on. Is murder even wrong in this context?

[miguelrochefort]

> We have to throw out the idea of property, the concept of theft and so on.

Of course.

> Is murder even wrong in this context?

Murder is not wrong. Murder is just an action that reflects a decision. Whether it's good or not depends entirely on whether the outcome is optimal or not. Murder is not qualitatively different from, say, breaking a window. The only difference is one of quantity and scale. Generally, much more time and energy is invested in a living person than in the creation and installation of a window.