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by nmrm 4381 days ago
> Consolidation only persists where it is either an effective way to deliver value (Walmart) or regulatory capture has occured (eg taxi licences, car dealerships).

Value for whom?

The problem is that "effective way to deliver value" is measured in terms of corporate profit (value to shareholders), not in terms of the actual thing being produced. So firms can produce less value to the economy at-large (fewer flights, worse beer, etc.), at greater cost to the consumer/supply chain, and still increase value.

The entire article is indicting this setup, where companies screw over their customers and suppliers in order to produce value for a few already very wealthy individuals who hold large stakes in the corporation.

This is how low-competitive environments work. Period. And it's not commie nonsense (unless Goldman Sachs are part of a massive commie conspiracy). From the article:

Goldman Sachs in February published a research memo advising investors to seek out “oligopolistic market structure[s]” in which “a smaller set of relevant peers faces lower competitive intensity, greater stickiness and pricing power with customers due to reduced choice, scale cost benefits including stronger leverage over suppliers, and higher barriers to new entrants all at once.”

> In many cases, you only need two players and threat of entry to any others for competition to be successful at optimal use of resources.

First of all, there's not much of a threat to entry when one or two companies own the entire market and there's a huge cost to entry. Have you seen many airline start-ups in the past half century or so?

Furthermore, it's possible to price like a monopoly when you only have one or two major competitors and everyone is part of a gentleman's agreement. Implicit, of course, but these aren't pricing cartels in the same sense that PACs don't coordinate with political campaigns.

The boxing match analogy is inherently flawed because these companies can still win big without wiping out all their competition. There is no gold medal when everyone's happy splitting the enormous pot of gold.

In fact, most seem to desire a situation where they have one "friendly" competitor so that they get all the perks of monopolistic position via an implicit gentleman's agreement on pricing, while still having the luxury of pointing across the street whenever regulators come around.

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Value for who? PLEASE! Get real! Wal-Mart delivers value for shareholders because they attract customers because they're cheaper and more efficient.

But I suppose some people rather vilify its customers, under the delusion that tens of millions of America's poorest could magically lift themselves out of poverty by spending more money on manufacturing and transportation costs and on people working at cash registers. Bah.

(And the grocery market in general is anything but low-competition.)

> Value for who?

Well they sure as hell aren't passing it on to their employees; meanwhile, their stock is doing quite well...

> Wal-Mart delivers value for shareholders because they attract customers because they're cheaper and more efficient.

> (And the grocery market in general is anything but low-competition.)

Okay, so you've double turned yourself. Walmart faces lots of competition from local chains, which prevents it from screwing consumers on prices. Competition is good.

I'd argue they compensate by leveraging their market position to place pressure on their increasingly de facto vertical supply chain and by poorly compensating their employees.

> by spending more money on manufacturing and transportation costs and on people working at cash registers.

Of course, this ignores that many of those poor are the ones in the factories, warehouses, trucks and behind the cash registers.

> Okay, so you've double turned yourself... Competition is good.

What? This isn't a double-turn at all. I'm not defending uncompetitive environments and monopolistic exploitation, I'm asserting Wal-Mart as example uncompetitive environment is, in the general case, nuts.

> Of course, this ignores that many of those poor are the ones in the factories, warehouses, trucks and behind the cash registers.

Not ignoring that fact, NOTWITHSTANDING THAT FACT. No one is better off if one person working minimum wage pay extra money to have another person working minimum wage drive a truck further (and burn more fuel for that matter). Recognize a simple truism: no group gets better off by engaging in waste. (You could make a case that someone-else making substantially more than minimum wage paying extra for that would increase overall well being by paying more for these services, because of diminishing marginal utility of that richer person's wealth, but making groceries cost more is a freakishly regressive sort of way to attempt to redistribute wealth... and wealthy people aren't shopping at Wal-Mart anyway, they're all at Target or Whole Foods...)

> I'm not defending uncompetitive environments and monopolistic exploitation

Okay. Well that's what the article is attacking. So I guess I don't understand your point w.r.t. the thesis of the original article. Do you agree with the article but disagree that Wal-Mart is an example? Or what? Could you clarify?

> I'm asserting Wal-Mart as example uncompetitive environment is, in the general case, nuts.

To repeat myself, there's more than one way for companies to behave anti-competitively.

Wal-mart cannot afford to screw consumers, so they find other ways to leverage their status as a mega-corp -- squeezing local government via tifs (this corn field/park/10 year old walmart is "blighted", so give us 15 year tax break to build a new one), paying poorly compared to other players in the market, abusing or undercutting supply chain partners, etc..

> but making groceries cost more is a freakishly regressive sort of way to attempt to redistribute wealth

Well, we could one-up Wal-Mart and make all the groceries completely free by enslaving all those involved in food production. So this is clearly an over-simplification.

It's also a false choice. Wal-Mart could instead decrease its profits and play nicer with everyone (like many of its local chain competitors do, arguably because they don't have the huge legal/PR/marketing team and cash reserves which can buy F-U leverage against local governments and labor groups -- this coercive power that comes with being so big is at the heart of the article's thesis).

Also, the price difference vs. wage difference between Walmart and its competitors also puts the lie to this claim -- even an extra 1.00+ an hour way more than offsets an extra .10 cents on the dollar for groceries.

> Wal-Mart delivers value for shareholders because they attract customers because they're cheaper and more efficient.

That doesn't really follow; it could also be, for example, that Wal-Mart delivers value for shareholders because they drove out all the competition and attract customers because they are the only place to shop at.

I'm not saying that's necessarily true for Walmart, but it's obviously true for US internet providers, to give just one example.

>Have you seen many airline start-ups in the past half century or so?

Yes, several.

Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia and Virgin America were all startup airlines that have gone on to have success despite being in highly regulated businesses. Virgin Australia was started in 2000 with $4 million and two planes and now has a market cap of $1.5 billion. It entered an oligopoly market with two airlines and cracked it wide open.

Even companies with gentlemans agreements are susceptible to entry by new competitors - even if it requires large amounts of cash - there are plenty of people with large pools of cash looking for opportunities. It happens so often that I am genuinely shocked that people think it doesn't.