[platz]

Reactive = resilient + eventbased + responsive + scalable

I think it is relevant, what allows you to ignore the behavior of the system in favor of a component?

Dean wampler in a recent talk spoke of "Reactive Streams" which add this capability, but I have not seen it yet.

I have not seen anyone do this in Rx yet. Also ideally the back pressure is out of band to avoid starvation of that channel

[louthy]

I guess have an 'out of band' observable? Each observer that needs to communicate instruction back to the original observable can drop messages into an OoB observable, the original observable can subscribe to the OoB observable and then react to those messages as it sees fit.

Or do you think it should be an inherent feature of the stream itself? Isn't the point of IObservable to be the dual of IEnumerable, so calling Select on IEnumerable is a projection from A -> B, calling Select on IObservable is also a projection from A -> B, I think having an additional effect breaks that duality. So an Observable that has a side-channel or out-of-band stream wouldn't be an Observable, it'd be another category (which is why I suggested Pipes).

I totally understand why you'd want something like that, I'm just not sure it's fair to suggest Rx has design mistakes because of this though.

[platz]

Well, speaking to the point of duality, I think Rx solves the problems it sets out to solve very nicely, and I would not say it has "design mistakes".

It certainly seems possible to use Rx primitives to build more functionality, yes.

Though everyone will have to build this themselves (if, of course, they even need it), and they'll probably all build it differently, where other lib's have this concept baked in (i.e. Pipes).

IMHO, libraries shouldn't try to do everything anyway, and to that end, Rx does it's thing and does it well (unix philosophy), as it's based on these mathematical abstractions.