[KAMiKAZOW]

You link to a blog and yet you apparently don't read it. KDE System Settings is being redisigned as well. Just scroll down a bit: http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi/2014/05/system-settings-and-n...

The redesign is not in this beta and, depending how long it takes, maybe won't make it into the first final release either. Partially it's even by design. It's not intended that Plasma 5 diverges too much from the current release to ease the transition.

[ama729]

I have to say, this[1] looks downright impressive. Congrats everyone!

Edit: To add a bit more to the conversation, does the change from Canonical to Blue Systems[2] changed much to the development of Kubuntu/KDE?

[1] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-asFPvnoidnw/U4cXbGCcv2I/AAAAAAAAM...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Systems

[KAMiKAZOW]

Canonical never contributed much to KDE. Yes, a few bits here and there but overall mostly negligible.

Blue Systems OTOH is a big KDE contributor. Things like KDE Search improved a lot thanks to Blue's involvement. As for Kubuntu: It appears to me that mostly the same people are involved with it. The only KDE thing mostly specific to Kubuntu is Muon (and that's being ported to Debian as we speak). Everything else by Blue Systems is AFAIK cross-distro.

The Kubuntu guys already announced that Canonical's own display server Mir is not an option. Therefore it remains to be seen how feasible Kubuntu remains with Canonical pushing a Wayland competitor.

[baldfat]

Only my opinion and probably wrong BUT

KUbuntu = Worst KDE integration and the cause for why so many people have a negative view of KDE!

OpenSUSE = Best KDE integration

[panzi]

Last time I used KUbuntu it was pretty much horrible. (E.g. only 6 month maintained and after that the repo did go offline so my installed system was broken (couldn't even install old pkgs from the DVD because of dependencies)). But the config tools from SuSE where also horrible (convoluted and so slow!), so I use the Fedora KDE spin now.

[pestaa]

What makes you say KDE is badly integrated in Kubuntu?

[KAMiKAZOW]

Kubuntu constantly ships pre-release software. One example in the current "stable" LTS is this touchpad config panel: http://imgur.com/JIuCNqg

[Zardoz84]

But OpenSUSE not have apt-get

[eddyb]

Having used both zypper and apt-get, I find the latter very lacking, even when coupled with other tools.

Take `zypper se -s`, for example - or if you prefer the long form, `zypper search --detailed`. How do you get that information from any of the apt tools, or even aptitude?

And then there's the openSUSE build system.

But I digress. I will attempt to replace my openSUSE installation with NixOS and if I miss my automatic KF5 builds, I'll try to create Nix packages for them.

[baldfat]

Off Topic:

Zypper is by far my favorite package manager and find apt-get and company a PAIN. apt-cache search foo UGH!

[nailer]

Nice: http://wheeldesign.blogspot.fi/2014/05/system-settings-and-n...

That said, at the top level the breadcrumbs on the left aren't needed.

[KAMiKAZOW]

I bet your voice is better heard over at the VDG forum on kde.org ;-)

[nailer]

That's not me, that's a well known general design principle: "It seems that perfection is attained, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to take away."

I did a lot of Linux desktop stuff 10 years ago. Now I feel most of the action takes place inside the browser. KDE's biggest contribution to computing will always be KHTML.

[veeti]

Yes, I read it and I know the settings are being redesigned. The system settings is just one example and perhaps the most egregious. It's also the one that is still a constant annoyance after years of using KDE when trying to find something.

[vacri]

Try a different heavy DE and see if you can even find the settings these days. I hadn't used KDE since back when they first released 4 and have just started using it again. I'm loving it - a heavyweight DE where things are properly integrated (sorry XFCE and similar) and that you can actually personally tune the settings for. The settings can be a little difficult to find... but at least they're there to be found :)

[keithpeter]

Xubuntu 14.04, xfwm-whisker-menu bound to Super-Space,

Finding settings: Press Super-and-Space type 'set...'

Gnome 3.x, just about any version, e.g. RHEL7 RC

Finding settings: Press Super, type 'set...'

Windows 8

Press Windows key, type 'control'

Windows 7

Press Windows key and letter R and type 'control'

Seriously, each of us uses what we find best and produces work. Settings tend to be easy to find these days

[vacri]

Seriously, it was a rhetorical statement that didn't mean "no-one can literally find the settings", but "you're not allowed to change much these days". Gnome 3.x in particular is horribly bad. KDE allows a lot of tweaking.

[keithpeter]

I sort of guessed, but decided to answer literally because people can just find a GUI that works for them on Linux can they not?

My understanding of Gnome desktop is that customisation is being offloaded to third party extensions. I admit rapid changes in API for extensions means breakage at present, but I'm hoping for asymptotic stability as the interface matures. When that happens it will be like visual emacs one hopes... hack on your GUI for the things you need.

[wlesieutre]

Windows key and type 'control' applies on Windows 7 as well. When the start menu opens, the search box has focus.

[keithpeter]

Thanks, could not remember (at home, no Win7 machine)

[mercurial]

It is? My girlfriend uses KDE, and I never found difficult to find stuff using the integrated search. On the other hand, if they would recreate print settings, I wouldn't have to explain that typing http://localhost:631/ in a browser is the most intuitive way of managing printers.

[SirMonkey]

Wow mindblow! Thanks!

[mlissner]

Sorry - What's the point you're making about your girlfriend?

[kbenson]

That he has someone close to him that uses it that doesn't mind when he jumps on the system, so he does it occasionally? There may or may not have been something implied by stating his/her girlfriend used it, but assuming a negative implication does not lead to useful conversation, IMHO.

[mercurial]

I'm not making any point about her. It's just that I wrote in another comment that I was using XMonad and not KDE any more.