[huherto]

I think I know what you mean. In corporate environments sometimes the "architects" overdesign their solutions and it is no fun. However, is not really Java. Java can be fun as I rediscovered recently working with GWT. But I had the luxury to make an architecture light enough for my taste.

[noss]

Me too. I find that a quite cool language is hidden in Java. It is just that everyone is trying their best to make programs as annoying and soul sucking as possible with it. Unit testing and a dependency-injection framework like google guice or similar makes java much more fun.