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by jroes 6138 days ago
How is that low? once again, I must whip out some statistics:

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresu...

The average full-time web developer salary is 70k. I'm not saying I don't want to make $150k+, but I just can't find any way to substantiate the claim that I'm worth that much.

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An "average full-time web developer" covers a huge number of roles, most of which don't solo end-to-end on applications.
don't forget payroll tax, supplied laptop/desk/electricity/etc, sick leave, annual leave, any skills development, the fact that you're also doing sales (which is probably more than 70K)..

Just because you have 70,000 listed on your annual pay summary - does not in any way mean that's how much your company spends to keep you employed. When you are a freelancer - you take on a lot of those costs yourself.

You're making the same mistake made upthread; price by value, not by cost. Payroll costs, leave, utilities, all irrelevant.

Freelancers make more because they accept risk. Customers pay extra to mitigate scheduling risk, recruiting risk, and project risk.

(Yes, you're not viable if you can't at least pay freelancer overhead and still have a living wage, but that has nothing to do with what your bill rate is.)

Ah, I see the disconnect I made- I started talking about the 'doing fine' comment on the yearly salary, rather than the initial topic of pricing.
There are wild variations between what two different "web developers" can produce. As the type of person who is actually interested in programming enough to be hanging out on a site like this, you are probably at the top end of the chart without even realising it. The bottom end is the schmuck clicking around in Dreamweaver, you never see him but he outnumbers you 20 to 1, and he is dragging the salary down to 70k. If you are familiar with statistics, you might say that 70k is the mode but I doubt it is the mean.

Everyone should listen to tptacek, he is absolutely right. It is the value you can deliver, not what your actual cost is. A good web site can be literally worth millions. Deliver the final product, end to end, and you can charge a good proportion of that. 70k is "sitting down money" and most good web devs should not accept anything like that.