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by happyscrappy 4396 days ago
The narrative you want is that the problem is only that America is evil, but the fact is the entire West is working together on intel. But that is a bit of rage deflator, and consequently conveniently ignored.
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> but the fact is the entire West is working together on intel

Do you think that represents the will of the people in most of Europe, Australia, New Zealand?

Well it is not like they are responsible for their own country.
Well, it's not like a huge player with tons of resources and bad-will can't buy out politicians in high places even in large Western European countries. Or sponsor the campaigns of people they favor (lackeys).

Or, if the above don't work sometime, straight-out help install military dictatorships -- e.g even in the heart of Europe, in the late sixties:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_military_junta_of_1967%E2...

Relieving Europeans of responsibility for their own government guarantees American power over them. They can complain while still feeling righteous, brilliant.
>Relieving Europeans of responsibility for their own government guarantees American power over them

It's not like Americans have any greater "responsibility" over their own government.

It sure doesn't work for their best interests -- only for the same private interests and multinationals that also take advantage of Europe (and all post-colonial countries in their sphere of influence).

And it's not like European elites do not benefit from that -- it's just that the majority of those people tends to reside across the Atlantic, and finds it easier and more effective to yield US as their own private economic/diplomatic weapon. For the actual country and the majority of its citizens, they could not care less.

>They can complain while still feeling righteous, brilliant.

Not sure how "feeling righteous" is contradictory with "complaining" (your phrasing seems to imply that).

Your message seems to be: "if you're fucked over by a bully, you don't have the right to complaint, because it's your responsibility to stand up to him".

Well, replace Europeans with black people in the South pre-Civil War. Does that retain the same kind of ring that you intented it to have?

Eventually they will catch up to that responsibility. I'm sure that will work out well for us.
And East. China openly spies on their own citizens in their "Golden Shield" project, and have been caught spying on Google Datacenters and on the US.

Russia also is spying on everyone (especially true in the Ukraine right now).

So the truth is the truth, as it always has been known. The world spies on each other, very very often.

That's not true. What I do have a problem is how OP described U.S. as some sort of exceptionally(see what I did there) benevolent leader.