[McDiesel]

Why does it matter anymore? Even most undocumented foreigners pay taxes... as long as you pay taxes, why does it matter?

Why does imperialism/nationalism still exist? Why does it matter where you came out of a vagina - why should that determine your opportunities (through limiting where you can work)?

In the modern world, we'd be better off considering everyone citizens of the world and dropping the attitude we have about our borders.

[geebee]

I have a hard time with this. Consider the case of New Zealand. It has a population of about 4.5 million, and a land area considerably larger than California. Like the US, it is largely a country descended from immigrants.

If New Zealand opened its borders, how quickly do you think it could grow its population? My guess is that within a couple of decades, they probably could add maybe 20 million? The US currently takes about 1.2 million immigrants a year, and demand is far higher than that.

Do you feel that immigration on this scale would be a good thing for the 4.5 million citizens who currently reside in New Zealand? Or, even if it isn't, that they have a moral obligation to allow it?

[supergirl]

that situation kind of exists in the EU