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by nimbupani 4405 days ago
I am one of the contributors to the parent article.

We mention a whole slew of 'what happens when you report harassment' incidents:

- http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindnes...

- http://archive.today/20130110113908/jolieodell.wordpress.com...

- http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/705/

- https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e

- http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=5698

- http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassm...

- http://kateharding.net/2007/04/14/on-being-a-no-name-blogger...

- http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/blogger-writes-about-b...

- http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassm...

- https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e

- http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/705/

- http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/12/4693710/the-end-of-kindnes...

I also want to mention that we were super scared of publishing our individual experiences for this exact fear and questioning of our lived experience.

4 comments

Thanks for the links.

A question - Do you think (or have any information) on if this is particularly worse in tech, than in other industries?

Why does this even remotely matter?

We're in tech. This is our home. Let's clean it up.

I worked for less than 5 months in a non-tech industry (and in a female-majority workplace) to form any opinion on that.
@danilocampos - I think it matters for getting to a solution. If there's something inherent in tech, or its male work force that makes the problem worse, then knowing that might help get at the root of the problem a little faster.
We already understand the roots of the problem quite well... comparing to other industries won't make much difference.

1. Male-dominated environment, women are a significant minority.

2. Inexcusable tolerance of sexist behavior - not calling it out when we see it.

3. "Why are you blaming me? I'm not one of those guys. Men might listen to you if you'd just stop the blanket accusations." (extra credit: count how many comments on this thread can be reduced to that sentiment.)

"Have you stopped enabling sexism in tech?". That's what most of the replies sound like to me. Sort of like "have you stopped beating your wife?". Hard to come up with a good response without looking guilty isn't it?
it should be noted that pointing out #3 doesn't make it an invalid point, and it certainly has nothing to do with why the issue exists in the first place.
The problem, at it's root, is a set of self-reinforcing cycles, such as:

1. More men than women

2. Male harrasers feel safe to harass women

3. Women do not feel welcome

4. Women leave

5. Goto 1

Or:

1. Harassers target women in ways that are deniable and/or less visible

2. Well meaning men assume that if they if don't see it, it must not be happening very often

3. Women get tired of having their personal experiences questioned, denied, dismissed, and belittled

4. Women stay silent, or leave

5. The impression among bystander men that this must not happen that often is strengthened, emboldening harassers

6. Goto 1

Etc.

Given that, it is entirely fair to say to non-harrasser men that if they are not actively part of the solution, they are still pàrt if the problem.

And after the umpteenth time of someone telling me I'm a terrible person ... I decide to be terrible by not caring about it anymore.

This is why your attitude is actively hurting you. It's driving away people like me, who actually agree with the basic premise that women should be treated equally.

Comparing the relative severity of any injustice or crime doesn't help solve it.
I only clicked on one of those links because I recognised it: https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/d96f431f4e8e

That article doesn't seem like retaliation, it seems like a response. JAH herself has responded to that article and simply said the things mentioned aren't relevant and only brought up because she was female.

Minor nitpick: I went back to find the links in the article, and it wasn't clear on the first read that the 'this is what happens...' sentence was a whole slew of individually linked words.
Noticed that you took the time to reformat the html that you initially pasted over. Thanks for taking the time to do that for us :).