[dscrd]

I've used Martini a bit and also tried some of the other frameworks (beego and revel) and I really don't see what makes people call Martini especially non-Gooey in comparison.

The reality is, when your language is as weak as Go (in terms of advanced features), a framework with any sort of significant features will be quite dynamic and "magic".

[enneff]

Except that's obviously not the case, considering he just announced Negroni, an idiomatic ("non-magical") library that provides the key feature of Martini.

[dscrd]

...which has even less features than Martini.

[enneff]

Because it doesn't need them. There are more polished versions of those features elsewhere, and they can be composed easily with Negroni as they all use the same interfaces.

I thought your point was about the necessity of magic in a web framework. The most magical thing about Martini was its dependency injection approach, which Negroni provides in an idiomatic way.

Unless you're saying that it's the magic that makes a framework a framework, as opposed to just a collection of libraries. That makes sense, because the magical approach of Martini (for example) does, in a sense, lock you in to using Martini. This makes it more like the monolithic web frameworks you mention.

[cronos]

Did you try comparing any of those to stdlib? I didn't hear people claiming that any of those you listed is idiomatic Go.