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by DavidNielsen 4407 days ago
It is my understanding that XMPP also presents a problem with regards to mobile due to inefficient design from a power usage point of view. I could certainly see how that would be reason to look into fixing or outright replacing XMPP but not opening the replacement protocol is just shameful.
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claudius 4407 days ago
They are still supporting XMPP for c2s connections, though; i.e. if you are on a phone, you can use XMPP to connect to Google. What they don’t support is s2s, which – unless you somehow run your own XMPP server on your phone – has nothing whatsoever to do with mobile :)

FWIW, they could “easily” build a mobile client that connects to Google via some nonstandard protocol which preserves energy on the phone while being mapped to the standard XMPP protocol from Google onwards.

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MattJ100 4407 days ago
Funnily enough, that's exactly what they did do, back in 2008 :)

Originally Android included an XMPP API that applications could use to connect to Google and other XMPP services. This got replaced by a Google Talk-specific API at the same time they switched to a proprietary protocol.

E.g. http://blog.kosmokaryote.org/2008/02/google-cannot-be-my-cha...

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MattJ100 4407 days ago
Naive implementations of XMPP on mobile can indeed get quite power hungry, but it doesn't have to be that way. Thankfully I've seen quite a bit of interest lately from mobile clients who wish to improve on this - all the resources are out there.

Some links:

- http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0286.html

- http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0273.html

- http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html

XEP-0198 is currently gaining adoption quite nicely for example, it allows for reliable streams (resume them without message loss or the need to re-sync everything if you get disconnected).

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biafra 4407 days ago
Yes, XMPP is power inefficent as the server can send presence notifications at anytime to the client even though the mobile user is probably not interested in notifications about who of his 200 contacts just went away or came back. Unless he looks at the roster.

BUT this can be solved easily, when you control the server and the client. And this was already solved by google for years with gtalk. So this is not an excuse to stop federation.

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christop 4407 days ago
I don't think XMPP is necessarily power-inefficient.

Every Android device with the Google services installed actually has an XMPP connection open the whole time (albeit with some protocol changes); it's how push notifications work on Android.

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scrollaway 4407 days ago
Indeed. Take a look at this insightful blogpost:

http://op-co.de/blog/posts/mobile_xmpp_in_2014/

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