[telot]

Why where makeup at all? The whole beauty-industrial-complex seems so ripe for destruction, and not disruption. My wife wears zero makeup, and I find she's ridiculously hot. Lets face facts: 1. Most makeup is not good for your skin 2. Makeup is deceitful (you're not showing your true self to the world = deceitful) 3. It's an enormous financial burden (especially for single women).

[jedberg]

Do you shave? I'm just going to assume you do and then ask you why you choose to deceive the world about your hair growth.

It's the same thing. It's not actually good for you (removes a natural defense for your skin), it's deceitful and it's a financial burden (you have to buy razors and supplies).

Human beautification is a many thousands of year old tradition -- it's as much a part of being a human as expressing oneself through language.

[serf]

that's a pretty false analogy, if you care to compare the sexes there are men that wear makeup as well.

facial hair can be a potential fire hazard, and is often considered to be too unhygienic for food workers. Both are reasons for an employer to request your continual shaving.

Do similar problems arise for cosmetics and the people that wear them? I don't wear cosmetics, but I don't believe that there are any overlapping laws which restrict their use such as the rules that food handlers must abide by.

[jedberg]

While you've brought up perfectly valid points, you didn't actually refute anything I said.

Yes, some people are required to shave for their job, but most are not and still do. Some women are required to wear makeup for their jobs, but most aren't and still do.

Regardless, my initial arguments still apply to all the cases where one is not required by one's job.

[relix]

The fact is people wear makeup in spite of your stated facts, and have been for thousands of years. Makeup is just one part of how humans express identity, and for me it's on the same level as shaving, doing my hair, putting on a nice smelling perfume, wearing a nice suit with a tie and a pocket square I carefully coordinated. You call it deceitful, I call it enhancing.

It's pretty much ingrained in any culture, and it's not going away anytime soon. Makeup is here to stay, and definitely not ripe for 'destruction'.

[xxs]

Try and ask your girlfriend to show up without makeup on a party (or just out if she is above 30). By hiding imperfections the makeup enhances looks and the latter is quite an important factor for females' own perception.

[telot]

So your arguments are "because it's been that way for thousands of years"? That basically amounts to cultural relativism. I would have figured a bunch of hackers ("disrupters") would be more willing to set aside thousands of years of tradition more easily that the masses of duped souls in the general population. Lesson learned I guess. Too bad.

[relix]

In danger of feeding a troll - our arguments are not that it's been that way for thousands of years, but that it's part of our nature as self-expressed beings, and that the thousands of years of history and spanning all cultures is evidence of that.

I'd like to see your arguments on how putting on makeup is not like cutting your hair or shaving, or should we also "destroy" haircutting/shaving? I'm not talking about haircuts out of convenience, but the ones you do to look decent in front of your clients. Do you have long hair in a ponytail, convenient and haircut-free?

It's ironic how you call us "masses of duped souls in the general population" yet you're the one campaigning against a core tenet of expression as a unique human - the way we make ourselves look like the way we want to.