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by jaxytee 4412 days ago
I don't find mark242's comment off putting or condescending at all. He's just telling is like it is.

Of course there are Java developers who can kick ass with Spring, Hibernate, Servlet containers, and war deployments, but all of these tools are huge, bloated, and starting to show their age. Modern frameworks like Play make things simpler for those of us who don't have +7 year JEE experience with Spring and Hibernate.
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cpprototypes 4412 days ago
The comment is off topic since the article is not about Spring or JBoss and it recommends against using Hibernate. The article is about a modern lightweight stack (JAX-RS, Jetty, Dagger, JDBI).
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jaxytee 4412 days ago
Not it's not, rebutting another poster who is commenting about Play (a modern java web development framework) in a article that is about modern java web development frameworks. Your comment is counter productive to this conversation, and the purpose of Hackernews in general.
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ryanobjc 4412 days ago
He's just telling like he thinks it is.

There, fixed that for ya.

I agree with the Java vs Scala poster. And unlike him, I have a 30,000 line scala production project under my belt. Everything he says is true, and then some. Ever split up a file into chunks because intellij can't edit it effectively?

Yeah, didn't think so. (Just telling like it is)

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saryant 4412 days ago
> And unlike him, I have a 30,000 line scala production project under my belt. Everything he says is true, and then some. Ever split up a file into chunks because intellij can't edit it effectively?

I have a 20k line Scala project in production and editing it has certainly never been an issue. Why does Intellij have problems with large files?

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kasey_junk 4412 days ago
I've written several large Scala projects and never had Intellij choke on large files.
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ryanobjc 4412 days ago
Incrementally compiling a 3000 line file in 2011 as you edited it.

I'm sure the Jetbrains folks have fixed that right up, but at the time, breaking it into 500 line chunks was required, due to the exponential nature of the slowdown we accomplished.

The basic reality is Scala compiles are slow. Syntax and red-line highlighting isn't cheap, and no amount of brilliant russian IDE developers can totally fix everything.

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saryant 4412 days ago
2011 was a long time ago.

scalac certainly isn't fast but I just clean compiled our 20k line project in 75 seconds.

I'm not claiming that's great or anything, I just don't find it to be a showstopper.

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virtualwhys 4412 days ago
> Incrementally compiling a 3000 line file in 2011 as you edited it

Heh, that's brilliant, read the SBT compilation guide, 1 source file per class (obviously that's not set in stone, but a good guideline to follow).

Also, SBT is boss. Enabling automatic build in one's IDE is asking for pain. Why, why is the IDE blocking when I save the file? That's why.

> The basic reality is Scala compiles are slow

For deployment sure, but not a show stopper either (20K LOC in around a minute on warm JVM).

For incremental builds Scala is not even remotely slow, particularly if you follow best practices and break your application up into modules (sub projects in sbt world).

Anyway, things have changed (a lot) since 2011, we're not in the stone ages anymore -- if you want that, go check out Haskell where you'll get no tooling, no stack traces, and eternal compile times ;-) With a superior type system, brilliant community, yada, yada if that's your thing.

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thescrewdriver 4412 days ago
Same here, we have multiple large Scala systems, never had issues editing files in IntelliJ.
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