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by outworlder 4417 days ago
> Electric cars IMHO are missing the point, which is to get off fossil fuels. When you switch to an electric vehicle you are just shifting from Gas to Coal. The US still relies heavily on fossil fuels to power the grid.

Yes, because the whole world has the same reliance on fossil fuels as the US. Homework: what's quicker to replace? A few power stations, or the whole vehicle fleet? Also notice that electric engines are way more efficient than gas engines.

> My question has always been: Does shifting from gas to depending on the electrical grid actually help? Or are we just smoking cigars (or e-cigs) instead of cigarettes?

Long or short term? Electrical vehicles do not care where the power comes from. If you are that worried, power your EV yourself at home with solar/wind/whatever power.

> Also, what is the downside to collecting Hydrogen?

If it is from fossil fuels, it is kinda obvious. It is apparently possible to sequester CO2 from the process of extracting hydrogen from natural gas, but I have no idea if it is even required by regulations, or economically viable.

If it is from water electrolysis, then you'll be using the same fossil fuel power plants to split water.

Do not forget that electric cars have WAY less parts (the simplest conceptual car is a battery and engine) and require much less environmentally unfriendly stuff, such as lubricants, additives, etc.

2 comments

"Homework: what's quicker to replace? A few power stations, or the whole vehicle fleet?"

average vehicle age in the US is 11.4 years.[1]

average power plant age in the US is over 30 years.[2]

1: http://www.autonews.com/article/20130806/RETAIL/130809922/av...

2: http://qz.com/61423/coal-fired-power-plants-near-retirement/

Thanks for the data.

More number crunching is required however. See, we stopped producing all gasoline vehicles today, based on your source, it would take 11.4 years in average for the fleet to be replaced, so it would be an obvious win.

But we are not doing that. As this whole EV vehicle discussion proves, it is very difficult to replace the fleet. And the infrastructure.

>Yes, because the whole world has the same reliance on fossil fuels as the US.

Notice how I said US instead of World. That was done on purpose.

>Long or short term? Electrical vehicles do not care where the power comes from.

Long term: if the state I lived in switched to 50% usage of EVs overnight. How much more Green House emissions would be generated by the power plants? Would it be an overall decrease of GH gasses for my state? I doubt the hydro power is going to help that much.

http://www.georgiapower.com/about-us/media-resources/plant-b...

>If it is from fossil fuels, it is kinda obvious. It is apparently possible to sequester CO2 from the process of extracting hydrogen from natural gas, but I have no idea if it is even required by regulations, or economically viable.

Interesting I didnt realize we had to use natural gasses to get H. Wow even Helium is produced from Natural gas.