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by lclarkmichalek 4421 days ago
This must be the mildest agreement ever, and you're in outrage? Considering the alternatives, this is amazing. The only information that rights holders get is the number of letters sent out. How is this not a win for the consumer?
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bananas 4421 days ago
Yes I because:

1. They actively monitor your connection to be able to determine whether or not you have "infringed". This has non legitimate utility.

2. They are building a mailing database which whilst is under a mild agreement may in the future be made available under different terms.

So this is not a win, it's a tragic first step towards what we don't want.

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hoggle 4421 days ago
"Creeping normality" also known as "death by a thousand cuts" or in the context of the "boiling frog" story - the war of attrition, lobbyists generally excel at this.

Most of us are too busy to notice and/or are underestimating the negative impact of a large sum of little policies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeping_normalcy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

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mike-cardwell 4421 days ago
"They actively monitor your connection": This isn't the case is it (for this purpose at least)? It's the rights holders that contact the ISPs with a list of IPs that they claim are infringing. All the ISPs are doing is mapping IP addresses to real addresses and sending letters? The ISPs don't actively monitor for copyright infringement...
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arethuza 4421 days ago
That's how I read it - all it made me do was make a mental note to remind my teenage son to use a VPN if he downloads stuff (NB which I do not approve of, but I'm not going to monitor his internet access to the point where I could block such activity).
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kiallmacinnes 4421 days ago
It sounds to me like this agreement changes that... that's what the £750k is for - to implement the monitoring and heuristics...

I think!

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mike-cardwell 4421 days ago
No, that's definitely not the case. Read the section titled "How the system will work". It specifically says that the rights holders will be doing this.

Which is something they are already doing anyway.

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MrScruff 4421 days ago
This amounts to less of a privacy invasion than performed by Facebook or Google, to my mind. In addition, anyone that is under the impression their activities online are currently anonymous is mistaken. It's straightforward for rights holders to track bittorrent users to an IP, which they can then use to identify the individual.
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prof_hobart 4421 days ago
Most of my internet traffic doesn't flow through Google's or Facebook's infrastructure (at least not to my knowledge). All of it goes through my ISP's.
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tomp 4421 days ago
On the other hand, it's not so straightforward for MPAA to identify IPs of people downloading/streaming videos directly. ISPs can, of course. Also, without the cooperation of ISPs or a shady court system (which assumes that IP in a bittorrent swarm is enough of a proof that a crime happened), it's also not very simple to identify individuals from just an IP.
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