[aaron-lebo]

> One of little secret of Clojure is that you almost never use Java based library. Because it forces you not to use idiomatic Clojure. So, most library you'll use in Clojure are in fact Clojure made. From this point of view of number of libraries, Haskell and Clojure are in fact at the same level.

This isn't really true.

Yes, directly using a Java library forces you to use Clojure that is not idiomatic but 1) this isn't always the case 2) there are idiomatic wrappers over some libraries already.

More importantly, at least you have the option of using Java libraries. Having to use Clojure code that is not idiomatic still will be much more productive than writing the library yourself in Haskell.

[dllthomas]

Haskell does have a pretty good C FFI, so it's not as if you're necessarily going to have to reinvent the wheel. I know precisely nothing about Clojure's C FFI - I'd guess it has a fine one, which of course means that this isn't an edge for Haskell per se but it does make the Java interop slightly less important.