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by pabb 4423 days ago
I mean, I get that he's trying to make a point here, and he clearly feels as strongly about this as he's written. But it sounds like an idealistic 13-year-old wrote the whole diatribe: "Boo, how dare you you big jerk spy. Spying on my mom and friends. You just want money. Like a big fat bully jerk."

Seriously? All corporations are in pursuit of profit. I get the underlying issue he has, but only through the context of growing up with Google and seeing them grow to what they are now. His post is littered with tons of hard to believe idealistic BS.

Berating them for not closing down their service like Lavabit? Are you kidding? "Yes, let's shut down our 15+ year old company, one of the most profitable and successful in the world, just to prove a point" -- surely that's the rational thing to do. I'm not a fan of Google's "spying", but you need to look at the situation from the lense of this being how they (and Facebook, and probably any other web-based company that had the clout) are seizing a competitive advantage that almost no one else can provide. People are feeding them petabytes of data, and it's in their best interest to turn that information into financial gain. Yes, I think a big side-effect of that they appear to be intrusive and "evil", but to pretend that the company is the issue, and that only Google would take advantage of such a situation is comical, and incredibly naive. The writer of the article surely can understand that any other entity with such great access to user information would use it.

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Profit is wonderful, even more so if earned through other means than tracking users' Internet activity unknowingly. Most users of the Internet don't know that Google sees them in most corners and much of the data collection remains.

Most users don't know how to defend themselves pro-actively. For example we have the disaster of people being connected with their political views in France[1]. The same (not really, hashed emails) vulnerability was then used by the Swedish Researchgruppen[2], an extremist leftwing organization, to publish who said what under the assertion of anonymity and as a direct followup leftwing journalists are now chasing outed "trolls" with baseball bats and cameras[3] for a TV show(!).

1: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/29/de-anonymisin...

2: http://torquemag.io/if-you-wouldnt-say-it-in-person-would-yo...

3: http://www.friatider.se/plansch-for-nya-tv3-serien-aschberg-...

Nedless to say these individuals are being directly targeted and harmed due to what they wrote on the Internet. It's not the fault of Disqus or Gravatar, it's the consequence of uninformed users.

Now imagine the hoards of victims that will emerge in the shadows of a Google database leak. For it will leak, of course it will, it's only a matter of time. If data can get out of North Korea it can get out of Google.

The dangers are not necessarily what Google is doing but what Google enables others to do.

Google closed down their service in China in protest againt what they said was anti democratic; remaining in the US is a hypocrisy, although perfectly aligned with other propaganda.

You are right, this is very much government driven. I agree - we should remove the government. Google can lead the revolution by closing down or switch jurisdiction in protest. Their voice is heard, ours is not.

These are posts by workers in the tech field. Instead of dismissing it, you may want to consider if you are (a) a hopelessly powerless entity caught in a socio-economic regime that you can not in any way alter (e.g. "do no evil"); or (b) a member of a sub-set of society that actually has both the power and knowledge to get Nikola-Tesla-wanna-be-Page and fellow travelers to toe the required tech-ethical line.