[reidmain]

And unfortunately this will change no one's opinion. GitHub got tried in the court of public opinion and was sacrificed.

Short of having audio or video or evidence those who backed GitHub feel vindicated, those who backed Julie Ann Horvath will see this as the "Mad Men" culture of Silicon Valley exercising their muscle to supress the story. The small but sane few in-between who were waiting for the full story will never get it because the other two sides are just going to throw hyperbole until the cows come home.

I wonder if we will ever be able to have a sane conversation about the "sexism in the Valley" or the fact that it concerns itself with something that is so technologically intrenched the mob mentality of the Internet will always draw centre stage.

[mtrimpe]

Excuse you; it changes my opinion and I'm a pretty staunch feminist, social justice warrior or whatever else you may call me.

The previous public statement was a disgrace and is exactly what you get when you let lawyers recommend you what to do; which includes soulless recommendation to fire anyone who raises harassment complaints after three months; even if they are valid.

This statement is OK and I'll give them a pass on it.

[smirksirlot]

Exactly. If they came out with this response first this shitstorm probably wouldn't have escalated to this point.

[icelancer]

This response took measured time and deep analysis. It couldn't have come out in 5 minutes by the very nature of the work done.

[smirksirlot]

Then Github should have held off on that legalese post that incited anger. You can't put something like that out re: an issue that involves so much human emotion.

[hashbanged]

This doesn't contribute anything to the discussion but instead writes off anyone who might be angry about the handling of this and the public reaction as "mob."

Part of having this discussion requires not writing off the entire discussion as impossible to have because of YOUR stereotyped view of the participants.

[weixiyen]

> And unfortunately this will change no one's opinion

Way to open it up with a statement that's guaranteed to be 100% false.

[reidmain]

You're right. It was a hyperbolic statement which was going exactly against what I was arguing about. I should have edited it.

[weixiyen]

Apologies for the tone in my comment.

It just made it difficult to digest the rest of your comment, which I actually completely agree with.

[reidmain]

You don't have to apologize. It is difficult to project the correct tone with text and I'd much rather feel a a bit sad and be corrected then to remain ignorant.

[Sir_Cmpwn]

I didn't really have an opinion on this before, but now I do. I generally wait until I feel like most of the facts are known before I form opinions, and now I have formed one.

[reidmain]

I'm glad to hear that. My first sentence was hyperbolic and should have been toned down.

[Kalium]

> I wonder if we will ever be able to have a sane conversation about the "sexism in the Valley" or the fact that it concerns itself with something that is so technologically intrenched the mob mentality of the Internet will always draw centre stage.

Perhaps, but if so it will never happen in public. There are too many people craving the moment to toss their incendiary in for that to happen.

[bitlord_219]

Julie herself says she's "pretty satisfied" with this post. I still consider myself one of her supporters, and I felt satisfied enough by this post that I recreated my GitHub account. Next time give it an hour before calling everyone insane.

[reidmain]

It has been over an hour and based on the reaction threads I've read I still think the vast majority of people are "insane".

I am glad that you are satisfied with this response and it brought you back to GitHub. You are one of the open-minded ones. I probably could stand to be a bit more open-minded myself.