[hkphooey]

I disagree about Mozilla's future.

What does it matter if Andreas is technically competent when he has to manage activists rather than programmers?!

There are people working at Mozilla today, many of whom are pulling in a decent salary, who believe they are working for social justice charity rather than a technology non-profit.

Firefox is the golden goose but they might eventually bankrupt themselves by spending resources on non-core missions, like the GNOME foundation who had to whip out the begging bowl because they spent all their money on a women's outreach program rather than developing technology.

[bzbarsky]

Can you point to an example of a person working for the Mozilla Corporation who believes they're working for a social justice charity?

[hkphooey]

Employees tweeting they want Brendan Eich to resign because his donation to Prop 8 is not in line with Mozilla's mission.

The mission to build a free and open web has nothing to do with social issues such as gay marriage.

[bzbarsky]

Can you point to a Mozilla Corporation (not to be confused with Mozilla Foundation) employee who tweeted something like that?

[DonHopkins]

Are you just as frustrated with Tim Cook for telling global warming deniers that he doesn't want their money?

Life is just so unfair, isn't it?

[ScottBurson]

Is this the Don Hopkins who invented pie menus?

[DonHopkins]

Yes, and are you the Gyro who groomed Gregor? And wrote an interactive C compiler for Lisp machines? ;)

[ScottBurson]

The same :-)

[strafer32]

Are you also the Don Hopkins being abusive and trolling on the comment threads of Gerv Markham's blog [1]?

[1] http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/

[DonHopkins]

Is Gerv Markham the person who ironically claims to be "Hacking for Christ [1]", a religious leader who preached love and acceptance instead of hatred and discrimination [2]?

The same Gerv who posted an anti-gay-marriage petition to his blog [3] that was syndicated to the public Planet Mozilla forum, publicly calling on Mozilla community members to support the Coalition for Marriage [4], a homophobic hate group [5] that endorsed the legal codification of marriage in the UK as "the voluntary union for life of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others," [6] by distributing misleading gay marriage leaflets [7]?

The same Gerv whose bigoted post to Mozilla's public forum ignited a controversy about what kinds of content Mozilla tolerates on its Web properties, and triggered an internal discussion examining the nature and desirability of community standards for inclusion [8], which set the stage for the reaction to the revelation of Brendan Eich's $1000 donation in support of Proposition 8 [9], which eventually led to his ignoble resignation as CEO of Mozilla [10], and earned him the humiliating endorsement of support and call to arms from Eric Raymond, who threw down the gauntlet by proclaiming:

"Then I think it is now the duty of every friend of free speech and every enemy of political bullying to pledge not only to donate $1000 to the next anti-gay-marriage initiative to come along, but to say publicly that they have done so as a protest against bullying." [11]

Do you have any problem with giving bullies a taste of their own medicine, by exercising free speech, just like they enjoy?

And in what way were my posts abusive, or not factual, or not backed up by references and citation to prove my points?

I'd certainly characterize many of the responses from anti-gay-marriage bigots as abusive, Godwinesque trolling, inaccurate and completely unsupported by any facts or citations:

"Hey Don: What’s it like being so far up your own ass? John", "See, this is the idiotic propaganda which you people vomit all over the net. What frigging ‘rights’ are you talking about?", "The letter Mozilla should have written. http://t.co/jn2dNNltQY", "The irony of the current situation is the same people who cry because they are “discriminated minority” think and act like Nazis and they aggressively suppress any dissident.", "The gaystapo controls mozilla, it calls the shots. You are now working for this ugly and inhumane movement.", "The character assassination started with employees of Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla should have acted quickly and fired them. Will they still be employed?", "Are you a professional activist? Because, judging by the propagandist bull you sprout here, you sure sound like one. Eich was not ‘campaigning’ to remove any rights, he donated some money to a campaign to abolish special rights.", "Funny how gays demand tolerance from others, yet have no tolerance with those who disagree with their way of life. And pathetic Mozilla fell for it.", "We simply cannot have a civil society when the hyper sensitive and the perpetually aggrieved are allowed their way.", "I hope Mozilla goes bankrupt. I myself already convinced 150 people to stop using Mozilla on all their devices. ... With a bit of luck, I will have convinced at least 2000 people by the end of this year to stop using Mozilla. Maybe more.", "You on the other hand are way out of line and I think your pursuit of Brendan amounts to a hate crime." [12]

So, strafer32, if you think I was being abusive or unreasonable, especially compared to those other people I quoted, you must be nursing quite a persecution complex. Are you the same person who accused me of a hate crime? Since you created your account just two hours ago [13], and since you know my real name, would you please care to share your real name with us? Or are you afraid to stand up for your own beliefs for some reason?

[1] http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hacking-for-christ

[2] http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_...

[3] http://blog.gerv.net/2012/03/coalition-for-marriage-petition...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Marriage

[5] http://nomaniacs.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/uk-mps-violent-hat...

[6] http://tim.dreamwidth.org/1761874.html

[7] http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/coalition-for-mar...

[8] http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/

[9] http://projects.latimes.com/prop8/donation/8930/

[10] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-steps-...

[11] http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5651

[12] http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/

[13] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32

[dang]

Please don't do this here.

[strafer32]

You ask in what way are your comments abusive. I believe you to be trolling because of your style of argument. You say things like [1]:

"Gert (and his supporters), do you also hate women, blacks and jews as much as you hate gays, and do you agree with Brendan Eich’s support of Patrick J. Buchanan and Ron Paul?"

In that entire comment you bring up unrelated issues involving US politicians as if trying to direct supporters of Mozilla and Brendan of being supporters of that view. People discussing with you then have to address points like that or be seen as supporting it. It's a classic trolling technique to do this.

I also find statements like the following abusive [2]:

"Apparently the people who warned me that you had such a thick skull that no outside information could get through and affect your thought processes were correct, and that makes me sad, because I had more faith in you."

In that comment you bring up the Mormon religion which I have no idea what that has to do with Mozilla or the Brendan Eich saga. Again, classic troll misdirection.

[1] http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/#commen... [2] http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/#commen...

[hkphooey]

How far do you take it?

Don't invest in Apple stock if you're against abortion?

Don't invest in Apple stock if you're against software patents?

Don't invest in Apple stock if you're a member of a socialist party?

If you think what Tim Cook did was right, then you don't understand what a free market is.

Finally, please don't smear people as "deniers" just because they want to have an honest scientific debate. Or do you honestly believe someone like Freeman Dyson is a simple-minded old fool?

http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2151