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by raphinou 4435 days ago
Why the "thankfully"? I'm in a country where the ID card is mandatory and don't see any problem with it. Can you enlighten me?
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A lot of things end up being tied to your ID number, and it becomes very difficult to limit the collaboration of companies to create a dataset about you, never mind making it easier for the Government to track people en masse.
Lack of ID card doesn't stop UK to share all your data with private companies, like in case of care.data and now also HMRC data. I never felt as tracked as in UK, where all companies know where I live and lived for last several yers.

On the other hand in Poland we do have mandatory ID card, and companies still don't have that much access to your data.

I'll have to break it to you then: it's exceedingly easy to get the same use of data without an ID. The lack of national ID does not protect your privacy.
I said easier, not foolproof. Just a postcode and some other piece of data is often enough to tie a record to an identity.

There's a difference between possible and building a system specifically to help it happen.

The feeling of protection hinges on how easy it is. A bit over ten years ago I was working in database "cleaning": merging databases from different organizations[1] into one coherent dataset. The data volumes were large, but other than that it is a simple task with low error rates and one which absolutely does not need global unique IDs.

This was ten years ago. The task only got easier since then.

On the flip side, the lack of national ID has inconveniences. How do you authenticate yourself when selling your house?

[1] Ethical work. These were needed either after mergers or because of the MS Access syndrome, where every department designed their own customer database.

Yep, FB and twitter doesn't need your national ID card number to know more about you than your spouse does
I don't see the need to have mandatory ID. The thought of being fined for not "showing my papers" while walking down the street is disturbing.

Can't speak for the UK, but I think a lot of the resistance to the idea in Ireland is due to a long history of distrust of the authorities.

Definitely the same in the UK. It's likely the death of Blair/Brown's <s>citizen tracking</s>ID card scheme killed the idea for other countries considering one.
> The thought of being fined for not "showing my papers" while walking down the street is disturbing.

Having a ID card does not imply that authorities have right to inspect it at will, or that you are required to carry it with you at all times.

That why I said "mandatory"...
Case in point: HMRC (UK Taxman) is about to sell 'anonymized' taxpayer data. With enough 'anonymized' data-dumps and CPU power, at some point, it will become trivial to correlate an ID Card ID with datapoints.
I actually think it's the other way round.

I actually think the other way.

In countries where you have ID card, you just show it to confirm your identity and you're done.

In UK you need to bring your bank statement and utility bills, with your address. Combined with your date of birth, it makes it much easier to match with companies database.

No. Read about anonymous credentials ;)
Same issue as with SSN in the USA. Lots of things requesting it what should not ever have access to it, opening people up to everything from privacy intrusion to identity fraud.
You need to be wearing a tinfoil hat to understand.
I wear a tinfoil hat because governments have a history of abusing their powers. Although we live in steady and somewhat well-governed democracies, there's no guarantee that this will always be the case.