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by thenewbtg 4437 days ago
"Personal vendetta"

Hahaha! YES! I have a personal vendetta against unsolicited email.

If you send me an email that I am not expecting, then I will flag it as "unsolicited".

I do not care if you provide other mechanisms for handling unsolicited email. I do not care if you used a dark pattern to technically ask me to solicit the email without my conscious knowledge.

The way you call it vindictive is empowering and enlightening.

It's your way of calling it unfair, of attacking the person as immoral and undermining the point of their behavior. You're trivializing them as petty. Instead of saying "I understand why someone might be unhappy at me sending them email they do not want" you say "it is vindictive and petty for someone to treat unwanted advertising from for-profit businesses this way". What a sick joke.

So you know what? GOOD! If "vindictive" means "control over your inbox" then I AM VINDICTIVE. I will PUNISH anyone who gets into my inbox without my approval. Email is WAR and I am fighting for Inbox Zero. Send those emails my way lightly ... tread carefully with that send button, because you might just find your messages are unwanted and end up clearly marked as unwanted.

Insult us users all you want, trivialize us all you want, attack our behavior all you want: I DO NOT WANT UNSOLICITED EMAIL and will HAPPILY and "vindictively" (lol) mark unwanted email as "unsolicited".

1 comments

I use the term "vindictive" because the people using their spam filter in this fashion feel that they are not only training a dataset, but punishing the sender: this attitude leads to behaviors that lead to feature creep on the usage of flagging things as "spam", and if you read threads related to spam you find people using the filter to mark all kinds of things they don't like, including business models they take issue with that really have nothing to do with email at all. I thereby simply think your entire rant here is nothing more than self-rationalization of behavior you know is overstepping a boundary: email is not "war", the attitude you are describing is objectively "vindictive", and I frankly find it rather disappointing that you just don't get this.

And again: I don't send email from my service; I don't even send receipts... so most i your rant is fundamentally mistargetted. I am a user who doesn't appreciate people's emotional responses to something that isn't really fixable anyway making email fundamentally more complicated as a protocol, breaking use cases like shared mailing lists (see the recent issues with Yahoo DMARC on the IETF list), and mis-training spam filters. If you ask me about real-life "actual" criminals I would frankly have similar responses against people who prefer vigilante, vindictive punishment for behaviors they dislike :/.