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by anonbanker 4459 days ago
It depends on your perspective. Crimea agreed after the fact that the Russians were merely securing their own territory, correct? If so, then there was no invasion.

If the Crimeans had voted no, would Russia still be there?
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dragonwriter 4458 days ago
> Crimea agreed after the fact that the Russians were merely securing their own territory, correct?

Those are the results announced by Russia immediately after their military invasion, yes.

It doesn't mean those are the actual results, that the voting was actually done by "the Crimeans", or that the voting was free or fair. [1]

> If so, then there was no invasion.

No, even if the people of the invaded part of the Ukraine actually agreed after-the-fact, Russia unauthorized intrusion with military forces into what Russia had previously by treaties (in which it also agreed to respect and guarantee the soveriegnty and territorial integrity of the Ukraine, as part of a deal wherein the Ukraine gave up the former Soviet nuclear weapons on its territory) agreed was Ukrainian territory would still be an invasion. It doesn't retroactively become "not an invasion" based on events after the invasion occurs.

> If the Crimeans had voted no, would Russia still be there?

Almost certainly.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/un-hints-russia-may-have-rigg...

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PhantomGremlin 4459 days ago
> If the Crimeans had voted no, would Russia still be there?

Seriously?

Do you actually believe that, or are you simply posting here as part of your job?

You have absolutely no clue as to what a free election is if you believe that 97% of the people in Crimea voted to join Russia. I won't even bother posting any details as to the wording of the ballot, or as to all the Russian slanted propaganda prior to the vote. 97% votes only happen in "People's Republics".

Putin and his kleptocrat buddies (nee oligarchs) are busy looting Russia. Hope you're getting your share.

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anonbanker 4458 days ago
Man, it's be awesome to get paid to post. I mean, yeah, you'd probably be a shill for some large conglomerate, but the paycheck would probably be great to supplement my other earnings.

I'm curious as to how you know what my beliefs are. I don't think they were in the GP post.

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