[dredmorbius]

And I really, really wish Ubuntu had held out with upstart instead. We need the alternative.

You don't cavilierly fuck with PID 1, and that's precisely what the systemd folk appear to be doing.

I'm really hoping Linus's rant makes an impact on them.

[akira2501]

They're fucking around well beyond PID 1. Default binary log formats. This odd binary messaging bus with god awful reverse domain names, a shifting binary protocol format that injects itself into the kernels standard text-based messaging formats.

I find the whole dependency system completely bizarre, because to truly implement it, you have to hook into _everything_ and make it part of this odd binary mess they've created above.

I really don't understand the route they are taking, I see the system becoming less capable and more fragile with this type of engineering being encouraged.

[papaf]

They also took over core dumps.

   ulimit -c unlimited 

It just fails siliently now. The priesthood have determined that it is better to run:

   systemd-coredumpctl

This annoyed me because if I wanted to do internet searches to achieve simple things I would be using another OS.

[dredmorbius]

Oh, I know. Which again is why I'm as concerned as I am.