[Karunamon]

Giving money to a hate group is not a "freedom of speech" OR a "freedom of thought" issue. At that point you've crossed the line from thought to action.

This isn't really hard to understand. And I for one am sick and tired of people invoking the beaten-to-death "but freedom of speeech!" argument when called on bad behavior. Freedom is a two way street.

Not to mention the fact it's a double standard. People saying that Eich did a bad thing is wrong and somehow infringing on freedom, but Eich giving money to a group who wants to legislate fundamentalist religious ideals is not infringing? What the fuck?!

Wow. Downvoted to -4 for calling donating to hate groups wrong. This is a new low for HN.

[forrestthewoods]

Disagree with someone? Quick, declare them a hate group!

[Karunamon]

Pretty sure campaigning for legalized discrimination is the objective definition of a hate group.

[hackinthebochs]

Are those who would be against polyamorous marriage a "hate group"?

[rimantas]

How about interracial marriage instead? Double standards are appaling in this case. I've just read Marco's http://www.marco.org/2014/04/04/political-views and I think he hits the nail on the head.

[hackinthebochs]

I don't find the comparison all that revealing. Clearly, there is no substantive difference between races. However, there are a few obvious substantive differences between genders, and these differences might lead one to a different belief regarding marriage. A belief in outlawing interracial marriage necessarily comes from hateful beliefs. A belief regarding gay marriage doesn't necessarily come from hate/homophobia.

[cube_yellow]

> Clearly, there is no substantive difference between races.

http://jaymans.wordpress.com/hbd-fundamentals/

[Karunamon]

Irrelevant.

[hackinthebochs]

Its relevant as it reveals your rationale for defining "hate group" as suspect if you aren't willing to apply that same label to this hypothetical.

[Karunamon]

I'm not about to go off into the weeds with you on a completely separate topic that I swear every single anti-equality person jumps to as a matter of course. Views on equal marriage rights are completely irrelevant to how many people a person should be able to marry - the concerns raised are completely different both on a sociological and a legal level.

This conversation is over.