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by coldtea 4458 days ago
A win for bigotry everywhere.

If we don't like your personal opinions we wont vote or back a proposition against them -- we'll make you lose your job.

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>Really? Is there a rash of this sort of thing going on that I don't know about?

Yes. How about the guy who lost his job for making a dongle joke, personally to his friend at a conference that was overheard? (And, then the woman who outed him on the internet lost her job too, again for reasons of public reaction). And tons of other examples besides -- people calling for others to get fired etc, because of their personal, not work related, opinions.

>Or is it pretty much just Brendan Eich right now, reaping the consequences of expressing bigotry publicly?

He never expressed "bigotry publicly". He privately backed a cause he believed in (right or wrong) with a donation.

As for "reaping the consequences", for me this amounts to a lynching mentallity that I'm uncofortable with.

If you don't like someone's opinions on civil rights, fight them in the court of public opinion and/or voting.

> He never expressed "bigotry publicly". He privately backed a cause he believed in (right or wrong) with a donation.

Political donations (at least, of the size Eich made) are public, otherwise, this would never have been an issue.

Public, but not at all connected to his work at Mozilla.
> their personal, not work related, opinions.

How do you know it's purely personal?

He clearly doesn't agree that homosexual people should be afforded the same legal rights and societal status as heterosexual people in their personal lives.

It's safer to assume that he would have negativity towards homosexuals in the workplace, e.g. look down upon them due to 'lifestyle choice' or some other bigoted nonsense, than to assume that once he's at work all of his prejudices are put to one side.

Chauvinists and racists rarely, if ever, leave their prejudices at home, so why would homophobes?

> If you don't like someone's opinions on civil rights, fight them in the court of public opinion and/or voting.

That's almost exactly what has happened, yet you call it 'lynching'.

'Public opinion' has forced him to step down before people 'voted' by not using/contributing to Mozilla products.

Nobody has denied him the right to hold his opinion, he's free to carry on doing so, however people have questioned his ability to not discriminate against people in his role at Mozilla, due in large part to fact that he has actively supported discrimination against people in the past based upon their sexuality.

With 15 years under his belt, someone might have noticed if he had trouble separating work from politics. Perhaps his talent in this area is related to how he earn the CEO job over others who are incapable of conducting civil interactions with people they disagree with on unrelated matters.
And perhaps being the inventor of Javascript and CTO of Mozilla helped it go 'unnoticed' or unchallenged.
Yeah, those people in the 50s who fought against desegregation just had a different personal opinion on what was okay. Nothing wrong with that!
>Yeah, those people in the 50s who fought against desegregation just had a different personal opinion on what was okay. Nothing wrong with that!

Hundrends of millions of people had similar opinions in the 50s -- they didn't know better. Do you propose they all got fired?

Even if you do. I don't recall that being the case historically, anyway. Instead, black and pro-civil rights people fought for their rights, with marches, public speeches, voting, and such. Not with campaigns targeted at individual people. The KKK used to do that.

I'm not sure it's bigotry when people are held accountable for their public opinions.

Free speech cuts both ways.

If free speech "cuts", then it's not free speech.

Free speech cutting both ways should only mean both parties are allowed to say whatever they like -- and the majority/plurality of the people decide democratically which way to go about it and who they agree with.

If an unpopular speech means you get fired, then it's not free at all. It's "be careful what you say or bad things can happen to you" -speech.

All dictatorships and all opressive regimes have such mockery of "free speech". Heck, even burning Giordano Bruno can be considered an example of "free speech" that "cuts both ways" in this logic.

(Not to mention that he didn't publicly voice an opinion in the first place. He privately backed against a bill -which was his democratic right to do- and the name of the backers was leaked).

You're conflating freedom from government suppression and freedom from social consequences. Free speech refers to, and only to, the former.
Really? Is there a rash of this sort of thing going on that I don't know about? Or is it pretty much just Brendan Eich right now, reaping the consequences of expressing bigotry publicly?
Try working in the oil industry in California. When I was a kid, my father was in charge of PR for one of the refineries in the Bay Area. Local activists routinely tried to get him fired since he was the face of oil in that small town, some even going as far as saying so at city council meetings.

An orthodontist even refused to take me on as a patient because of who my father was.