[scurvy]

It's not FUD. I've had a few IP's end up on Comcast's nullroute list. It's pretty visible from their looking glass.

BTW, appreciate all the downvotes from the kiddies who have never heard of NANOG, let alone actually been to meeting.

Appreciate the lecture about FUD from a foreigner who knows nothing about our market.

Canada filters, too. Hello Rogers and Telus.

[lowboy]

Until you can substantiate your claims inre: "every major ISP" censoring, it's FUD.

I don't have any evidence that my ISP (Shaw) or the other major Canadian ISPs don't censor. But you haven't presented any evidence that they do, nor have you presented any evidence to support your claim for just the major US ISPs.

And there's no need for the ad hominem, friendo. It just weakens your position.

[scurvy]

We were talking initially about US ISP's, then you mentioned North America so I figured I'd throw in my experiences with Telus and Rogers. That wasn't an ad hominem attack. I was pointing out that you have no direct experience dealing with large US ISP's and their blocklists.

How am I supposed to substantiate my claims? What do you want as evidence? Do you want me to post email threads or something? No way.

Do you know how a looking glass works? It's pretty easy to find blocked IP's using Comcast's.

[scurvy]

BTW, every ISP in Canada uses CleanFeed.

https://www.cybertip.ca/app/en/projects-cleanfeed

Technically that's censorship. Censorship I can live with, but it is censorship on a national scale. Every other Canadian ISP maintains a block list, but hey you won't believe me unless I produce a sworn affadvit from the security personnel of each ISP.