[devwebee]

I've seen experienced programmers failing at learning Haskell for the same reason experienced programmers fail at learning Vim, the initial learning curve is very steep, and they don't see the value on climbing that wall. Now, if you know Vim, ask yourself, was it worth it? I'm convinced 99% of people would say yes. It is the same with Haskell, all those seemingly complex concepts come with a big reward.

Learning Haskell is easier with a strong functional programming background; sadly CS students don't learn much about FP, so having lots of experience in CS and compilers won't necessarily put you in a better position than somebody who has no formal background in CS but lots of programming experience.

A math background on the other hand should help you. Learn about how category theory is applied in Haskell, and you're already half way there. Monads are just a piece of the puzzle.

I do agree with your last three points. I haven't used Haskell in production, so my experience in "real world Haskell" is limited, but it has helped me immensely in my daily work with other languages. Haskell forever changes the way you think and approach problems, just like Vim changes the way you write and edit code; it will make you a better programmer.

[csense]

> the same reason experienced programmers fail at learning Vim, the initial learning curve is very steep, and they don't see the value on climbing that wall.

This is definitely me. I only got really into Linux with Debian-like systems after Nano became those distributions' standard editor. I know the bare minimum about vim for occasional, minimal editing of configuration files. I only ever use it when I'm stuck with a rescue prompt or some third-rate distro that has nothing else. Usually one of my first goals is to get either a GUI, or file transfer capability, or a package manager up and running; then I stop using it.

[dllthomas]

"I only got really into Linux with Debian-like systems after Nano became those distributions' standard editor."

I'd recommend learning an editor that has any sort of power - vim, emacs, or something lesser known. Trying to get anything done in nano is like pulling teeth. Yeesh.

[devwebee]

Vim is multi-platform, and there are GUIs for Vim, particularly GVim and Macvim, where you can use the mouse, and copy/paste, etc, just have to do it the Vim way. You gave up too early, Nano isn't even close; it's like comparing Notepad to Notepad++. Give both Haskell and Vim another chance.