[macu]

I haven't seen a single grain of evidence in support of the claim that Brendan Eich hates gay people. He said it himself, "the donation does not in itself constitute evidence of animosity." And I can stand behind him on that. I'm gay and I also find the cultural crusade for gay marriage objectionable. I more go along with the views of the Against Equality group. But since it appears that gay marriage is going to happen regardless, there's no sense resisting it now.

[azinman2]

That's just silly. The donation itself shows that he's willing to spend $1000 (not insignificant!) to impede on someone else's rights. It's a pretty hateful action -- while he may not "hate" gay people it's certainly more on that side of the spectrum than to "love".

Even if you're not for gay marriage yourself, why would you want to stop that ability someone else for whom that's important? There are very few things in life that are truly truly significant for someone, and for many family is one of them. Wanting to put a wedge in that for someone else IS a hateful action.

[orthecreedence]

I'd rather the state not recognize marriage whatsoever. Then you can get married to whoever or whatever in any church that will allow it, and that state washes its hands clean of any "side-taking."

Instead, the state would offer civil unions to any two consenting people.

Now if Mr. RightWing doesn't like your gay marriage, he doesn't have to recognize it, but the state will still issue your "union" without discrimination.

The main issue I took with Prop 8 wasn't necessarily that it was discriminatory (although I don't like that either) but that it was taking away rights from a group of people by encoding it into the state's constitution...which is generally a document which codifies people's rights, not lack thereof.

[erikpukinskis]

> I'm gay and I also find the cultural crusade for gay marriage objectionable

That baffles me. Do you not have any friends with non-citizen partners? Do you live in a really rural place or something? Are you mostly friends with straight people? I'm trying to understand how you haven't come across couples like that. Those partners can't currently come to the U.S. and work, unlike their straight counterparts. And depending on where they are from, in many cases, there is no country in the world both partners can live and work.

That seems righteously messed up to me. And maybe you think we should be able to sponsor immigrants without getting married (as I do) but that law isn't on the table and same-sex marriage is. Given that, I don't know why you would prefer same-sex marriage to be illegal.

[smirksirlot]

If he doesn't hate gay people, then why not just make his position on marriage clear? He can straight up say "I don't believe in marriage" or whatever.

[MrZongle2]

"If he's not a witch, why does he deny the Church's accusations so emphatically?"

[davidgerard]

>I haven't seen a single grain of evidence in support of the claim that Brendan Eich hates gay people.

His actions that have an effect indistinguishable from hating them. It turns out this is a thing he actually did.