[phillmv]

>When I make mistakes, which I often do, I don't go around thinking oh, darn, they should have known that for me.

Well, you should! These are mind numbing details that are best taken care of by other people. I am too concerned with building a good product to want to spend too much time going over mind numbing details.

The argument from "I become a more well rounded developer" is valid, but these should be things you learn once and then stop worrying about forever. There's a lot of magic in Rails, but it all goes away given enough time. Better abstractions are our bread and butter and we'll get nothing done if we continue to shy away from them.

[whyme]

As I said, I'm all for having a great framework.