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by adrianm 4470 days ago
I'm inclined to agree with much of what you said, but I don't think sexism is always at fault here. If I were that person who struck up a conversation with your fiance, I know I would personally find it difficult to make the "first move" in initiating a conversation with you.

Is it because I'm sexist? No! I'm not a very extroverted or social person and I find it personally very difficult to make initial contact with anyone I don't already know. Given that I'm already talking to your fiance, we can infer that something or someone has broken the ice and hence we are engaged in a conversation.

If you were the person with whom the ice was broken with first, it would be your fiance who would be seemingly "snubbed" by me, unless introduced explicitly by yourself. Maybe non-extroverts, shy, or just socially awkward individuals need to wear a public service announcement or something to make this clear to everyone.

"Disclaimer: I'm not sexist; I'm just socially awkward. Please break the ice and say hello to me!"

I'd also like to add, for your consideration, that some people are better at one-on-ones than navigating the social jungle that is multi-person conversations. I have no idea how to engage multiple persons at once outside of the context of a formal or informal presentation of some sort. This could be that the topics of conversation that I usually engage in with others are not usually of the anecdotal variety, which I imagine are amenable to group conversation, where others can more easily "participate" passively.

Finally, I'd like to point out that I think your social party experiment as you framed it will always generate results that are biased toward your assumption. Just because a phenomena has been observed to exist (in this case the phenomena, according to your testimony, is "men in a technical environment are more inclined to strike up technical conversations with men to the exclusion of the women also present") does not actually tell us anything about -why- this is so.

You can come up with any number of anecdotally reasonable hypotheses, but until you actually test these hypotheses in a well defined and scientific manner with an experiment designed to eliminate all of the potential biases, your experiment is no better (rhetorically speaking) at proving anything than a sexist diatribe along the lines of "why my ex-{girlfriend or wife}'s {anecdotally negative conduct} proves women are {some universal claim about all women}".

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You're not sexist, but you have less problems breaking the ice with men than women...
That's not particularly unusual; it's easier to break the ice when there's no question of ulterior motive or interest.

I feel off-kilter speaking with strangers that I find attractive in a professional setting; I have to keep telling my brain to ignore itself and act normally. This isn't unique to any gender -- the other day I was ordering lunch in the neighborhood, and the person behind the counter was mooning at me to a degree that actually made the interaction uncomfortable.

I don't take it personally; that's how people are, myself included. I know it can be slightly uncomfortable, but as long as we're trying to be professional with and understanding of each other, things generally work out.

I don't understand what you're implying here, I'm afraid.
He's implying that it is sexist to be bad at talking to women.
Really? Re-reading it with that in mind, I think you're right... I guess my brain presumed that was such an irrational conclusion to draw about me after reading what I wrote that it didn't register at all, I honestly thought I was just not understanding what the poster was trying to say.

It really feels terrible to be insulted when I was trying to contribute a thoughtful comment.

IMO it's a ridiculous allegation, anyway. Guys aren't bad at talking to women because they want to be, so telling them "Hey that thing you're ashamed about, well you should feel even worse about it now" isn't useful.
This is true about every type of person who shares more in common with each other. Race, religion, etc. Why would sex/gender be different?