[ZoF]

Yeah, I grokked the point, and I strongly disagree with the conclusion.

For anyone with a graduate degree that's competent in their field the chances of going 4+years jobless is pretty low. And I would assert that if you get a (well-paying)job earlier than 4 years out of college its worth it to not default on your loans.

Why? By the end of the second year of a salaried job I would be highly surprised if that shitty credit score hasn't fucked up your life in at least one major way.

It's really about how much you think you're worth. If you don't think you'll need a loan in the next 7 years then save yourself some money I guess?? Don't forget if you get ANY job at all in the meantime, because they can just garnish your wages if they do.

It seems to be implied that life with bad credit isn't so bad(and it isn't), but we live in a material world. People want to buy shit, often-times shit that's more expensive then they can currently afford, it's why loans exist. I just think anyone acting on this advice without REALLY thinking about it, will regret it more often than not.

[phil21]

If you don't need to buy a house or finance a car, living with bad credit isn't super horrible. It can be quite inconvenient, and more expensive overall though.

Cell phone plane? Yeah, you're on pre-paid. Have fun paying double (although this has been getting better!).

Electric/gas/internet hookup? Well, in most (all?) places in the US, the gas/electric/phone company are required to serve you but probably will require a deposit of a few hundred bucks each. Cable might be a crapshoot - probably the same deposit deal though.

The real issues are finding a place to rent and getting a decent job. Almost all decent jobs require credit checks now, and that's a travesty.

So yeah, if you have money it's not too bad. I lived with horrible credit (defaulted on some small credit cards and a lease after I lost a job) for quite some time, but I also happened to be in a career that after a couple tough years I was making enough that the lack of credit wasn't really something that I worried about.

Now I have good credit, and really the only major difference so far is I qualify for credit cards with perks. I have yet to buy a house, and I buy my cars cash.

[prewett]

I'm not in favor of defaulting on loans. But having bad credit doesn't necessarily destroy your life. I've never taken out a loan in the past 17 years, yet I've bought several cars (including one new). The only thing I would need a loan for would be a house, but being single and with property tax in my area at 2%, I'd rather not.

> Why? By the end of the second year of a salaried job I would be highly surprised if that shitty credit score hasn't fucked up your life in at least one major way.

She was having trouble getting a job as a waitress, I think she did not see the scenario of the salaried job you speak of as being relevant to her.

> People want to buy shit, often-times shit that's more expensive then they can currently afford, it's why loans exist.

I know it's not popular these days, but one can actually limit oneself to things you can afford. If you do that, you don't need a loan, and hence, bad credit is irrelevant. And if you have a habit of buying things you can't afford, bad credit is in your future...

[ZoF]

Completely agree, for the proportion of the population that doesn't take loans ever this certainly seems to make some sense.

I'm just saying that, imo, for the vast majority of Americans the ability to get a loan is more important then she implies. Not to mention the fact that Phone-Carriers/Recruitment-Agencies/Utilities-Vendors check credit scores as well.

It's effectively coming to terms with the fact that you won't be getting a new car/home for 7 years unless you can afford to buy it with liquid assets... So, unless your income is so great that you can save up for a car/house on TOP of affording rent + food/clothes/etc + student loans, you won't be getting one until your credit recovers.

You last paragraph is basically my point, limiting oneself is _not_ popular these days, that's exactly why most American's would regret this decision because eventually they would find themselves limited. Perhaps they should be.

I feel like I should state down here that:

a.) I hope I never have to borrow money in my life, but I probably will. I don't think it's the "right" way to live or anything.

b.) I think this does make some sense for certain people.

c.)I don't think bad credit ruins your life, but I do think it has a bigger impact than was implied.

[xtracto]

>It seems to be implied that life with bad credit isn't so bad(and it isn't), but we live in a material world. People want to buy shit, often-times shit that's more expensive then they can currently afford, it's why loans exist. I just think anyone acting on this advice without REALLY thinking about it, will regret it more often than not.

That is the mainstream culture you see in the USA. Other countries do not have that culture (in Mexico some people call it the "USAnd-throw"... and enjoy getting used stuff thrown away by Americans, in Germany [at least in the east] people do not value "stuff" as much as in the US).